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  Reply # 1000024 6-Mar-2014 10:58 Send private message

Thanks for the welcome
as per Wireless in the US - I cant pretend to know too much about how it works. My missus was there for a year and said most US homes are moving over to it from cable.

Cable is faster than NZ internet. So with that in mind and knowing the Americans love speed one would have to assume their Wireless installations must be pretty good.




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  Reply # 1000026 6-Mar-2014 11:01 Send private message

nathan: you could move somewhere with faster Internet rather than moving somewhere with not and then complaining about it :) High density Asia is always going to have greater economies of scale to offer cheaper/faster Internet. But there's a reason you left that to return home


Yeap - reason I left it to return to NZ was my mum was undergoing a heart op. She's ok now thankfully. As per giving up the life of being a CEO of 2 big Orgs. in Asia and living on a tropical island in a brand new luxury high rise apt. again I fall back to my original comment - The simple things I missed.

Thank you for asking. 



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  Reply # 1000028 6-Mar-2014 11:08 Send private message

nathan: you could move somewhere with faster Internet rather than moving somewhere with not and then complaining about it :) High density Asia is always going to have greater economies of scale to offer cheaper/faster Internet. But there's a reason you left that to return home


Again I don't understand how describing "culture shock" upon my return home and connecting my home to the internet the first time as a complaint.

I am saddened that my words confuse and hope that at some point in this generation (with or without fast internet) that you people stop running me through a CIA Investigation because of misinterpretations.

Culture shock pertains to "omg things haven't changed in NZ" 11 years ago I left there was ADSL - I conquered Asia (hooray one would think) - return home 11 years later and NZ still has ADSL - "Culture shock".

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as per Wireless in the US - I cant pretend to know too much about how it works. My missus was there for a year and said most US homes are moving over to it from cable.

One would expect that the typical American would not be downgrading to a slower internet so can assume the American Providers running Wireless have got it working satisfactorily - at least to the typical American's expectations.



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  Reply # 1000029 6-Mar-2014 11:09 Send private message

nathan: how to get 5174 new visitors per day to the spoonit webpage? that is damn impressive!


Thanks
umm....I could tell you but then I wouldn't be the only one that knows :)

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  Reply # 1000030 6-Mar-2014 11:10 Send private message

I was in Melbourne central and they had run out of points to connect me a broadband. I guess there's a sweet spot eh



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  Reply # 1000031 6-Mar-2014 11:11 Send private message

JayADee: There IS no spoon!!
Welcome anyway. :)


Haha excellent quote.
part of naming spoon IT pre-market research was the Matrix, my younger sister in childhood days calling me a geek and a spoon, and finding a slang that is definitely kiwi in origins.




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  Reply # 1000091 6-Mar-2014 12:33 Send private message

cyril7: Welcome, and all the best with the future, but back to your 2x internet connections at 100MB/s, guess they came from the house next door, which came from the house next door to that, which in any one portion was
Cyril


Firstly I am absolutely shocked at these responses...I don't know you and I haven't said anything bad to you, so where is all the aggression / insulting coming from....Welcome home to NZ I guess.

Re Asia Internet (here I am including most of developed Europe in this explanation)...Most apartment complexes (not including slums) have their own servers that connect to a central city server. From the complex's server cabling is laid to connect to a a dns server and router at the base of each building. From that router when you have chosen a provider and a plan the service technician responsible for provisioning will send a job request to the complex administrators to be approved his/her request to enter the complex to install the requested service per account signup request.

So what one orders is what one pays for regardless of who one's neighbour may or may not be and regardless of whether or not one's neighbour has an internet connection or not.

It is guaranteed at signup that the account / IP / and shared file server is one's own.

5 minutes on Google could have told you this, but insinuating that the rest of the world sucks when compared to NZ is indeed blinder than the 3 blind mice of yester-generation's fables and nursery rhymes.

From my very broad travel experience I have never seen a country so slow in internet speeds as NZ is, therefore I feel am qualified enough to say "omg culture shock" upon my returning home statement to the NZ computer/internet community.

It should have been as taken as tongue-in-cheek, but obviously wasn't.

have a good day worshiping the great telephone networks of NZ. Makes for good spaghetti. I'll drink my coffee and ponder over a day that NZ has caught up to the global norm.

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  Reply # 1000100 6-Mar-2014 12:45 One person supports this post Send private message

Hi, I dont see how my response was aggressive or insulting, I did welcome you and wish you the best, and still do, it was far from my intention to portray that.

My comment simply surrounded the fact that I am farmilar with local ethernet drop networks both in asia and more specifically in eastern europe and you wont find any here, and most of the ones I have seen (esp eastern europe) are pretty adhoc with pretty rough SLA's so often even though you have a 100Mb/s connection the upstream ability to deliver is lacking due to poor engineering, but hey your milage may vary.

All the best
Cyril

Edit: reading your post some more, I think you totally mis read my post, and quite possibly I did not state it right, but regardless you wont find local ethernet drops anywhere in NZ, fibre (where available)  DSL, or HFC with the odd bit of WISP is all there is, in some parts of Auck and Welly there are MDUs with similar systems to what you describe, but not all that many. I too wish we could have a properly deployed network for MDUs as in parts of asia but due to our sparce housing I dont see it happening.

Cyril



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  Reply # 1000178 6-Mar-2014 14:26 Send private message

Re Cyril - I won't argue with what you understand of the Northern Hemisphere other than saying I lived there and I know what I got in the way of internet. Get what you pay for I guess.

Popping my head in this portal window and introducing myself was obviously foolish on my part.

Will leave you people to explore the realms of cyberspace in peace and return back to my comfort zone .

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  Reply # 1000183 6-Mar-2014 14:38 Send private message

stay don't go, everyone here is nice

its hard to change the laws of physics around the speed of light and latency for accessing servers that are overseas a long way from NZ

Also hard to deal with the economies of scale that NZ doesn't have and the geography that NZ does have, which is probably the main reasons why you are finding our Internet slow

ie Singapore is the whole of NZ population in a piece of flat land the size of Canterbury. Very easy to provide cheap, fast terrestrial or wireless Internet given those parameters

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  Reply # 1000293 6-Mar-2014 17:59 Send private message

spoonmaster: 

NZ still has ADSL



There was definitely under investment in the 90's when Telecom was running rampant but regulation (separation of Telecom and Chorus) and the Fibre push in recent years is improving things pretty quickly.

There was a big FTTN (Fibre to the node push) which shortened copper cable distances so that 80% of people are <2km from and exchange or cabinet meaning >10Mbit for most on ADSL2+, it's not the same as 256k ADSL1 10 years ago.

Rural Taranaki (or wherever you've come back to) may only have ADSL1 due to distance from the exchange/cabinet but other areas in NZ have VDSL2, Cable, 4G and Fibre. The fibre and 4G and coverage is growing all the time.







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  Reply # 1000299 6-Mar-2014 18:10 Send private message

spoonmaster: From my very broad travel experience I have never seen a country so slow in internet speeds as NZ is, therefore I feel am qualified enough to say "omg culture shock" upon my returning home statement to the NZ computer/internet community.

It should have been as taken as tongue-in-cheek, but obviously wasn't.

have a good day worshiping the great telephone networks of NZ. Makes for good spaghetti. I'll drink my coffee and ponder over a day that NZ has caught up to the global norm.


Hmmm. Adding to other people's comments. New Zealand has a good selection of Internet technologies: ADSL, VDSL, cable, fibre, 4G (as noted, actual 4G, not HSDPA+ the US marketing folks branded as "4G" before they had LTE).

Internet in NZ is mainly distributed from cabinets, which means on average speeds are around 10 Mbps - with obvious speed bumps in VDSL, fibre and cable areas (I'm on a 130 Mbps plan for example). you only get less than 10Mbps in this country if you have really poor wiring at home, or connected to an old Conklin in a rural area. If you live in a city, speeds should be a lot more than this.

4G in New Zealand can get speeds of over 130 Mbps (Vodafone DC for example), which is something you can't even imagine in the USA.

Seriously, New Zealand has some good broadband network. In terms of speed to overseas it's another story - hard to beat the speed of light if you fetch content from the other side of the world, which will always means a few ms for poor packets to travel around. Hence more and more CDNs being established here.

Overall the New Zealand broadband is a lot better than some other countries - just look at the shambles the Australian NBN is now.

People aren't being rude in this thread, just trying to open your eyes to the reality. There are lots of clued in people here (yes, including cyril7). 

Enjoy your stay.





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