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Topic # 139260 2-Feb-2014 20:13 Send private message

Hi There!

I am ripping a selection of my music to FLAC for some upcoming auditions, and I went to rip Live - Throwing Copper, and it would seem the CD is scratched and I can't get track 14. 

Is there a legal way that doesn't require buying a new CD that would allow me to grab this track in flac format?

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  Reply # 979028 2-Feb-2014 20:26 Send private message

Just torrent it based on the fact u own it, or buy the single on iTunes and "handbrake" it?




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  Reply # 979032 2-Feb-2014 20:30 Send private message

Music copyright holders are the only ones actively hunting people sharing content in New Zealand, so I wouldn't go there.

Only videos are DRM-protected on iTunes, so no need to "handbrake" anything, but not FLAC.




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  Reply # 979039 2-Feb-2014 20:52 Send private message

If the scratch isn't too bad, you may be able to polish it out with a scratch removal kit?



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  Reply # 979041 2-Feb-2014 20:56 Send private message

JimmyH: If the scratch isn't too bad, you may be able to polish it out with a scratch removal kit?


I could potentially do that but it seems like a lot of trouble for 1 track. 


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  Reply # 979042 2-Feb-2014 21:01 Send private message

The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.




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  Reply # 979045 2-Feb-2014 21:03 Send private message

iTunes match allows you to have legal access to up to 25,000 songs for an annual fee of about EDIT://$39.
Even songs that might have been acquired through dubious means.

Just put then into itunes, and subscribe to match, it will scan through your library and 'purchase' the rights to these songs.

This is great for turning an illegitimate library into a legit one. The main downfalls are the annual subscription (which i think is quite reasonable if you got a large library), and that apparently some people have a trouble with odd songs not 'matching'.

apple.com/nz/itunes/iTunes-Match

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  Reply # 979046 2-Feb-2014 21:06 Send private message

For the price of a couple of dollars for one track it is a no brainer what to do. IANAL but I believe you only have the right to listen to the track on your CD or format shift it off that CD. So if you break the CD , you would need to buy a new one, or download it via iTunes. If you don't have the CD anymore you can't format shift it off it. 

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  Reply # 979051 2-Feb-2014 21:23 Send private message

Sideface: The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.


No, no, no. Stop spreading the wrong information.

Format shift of AUDIO is completely legal in New Zealand. Only video format shift is illegal.

Here's a page with a couple of Q&A that you might find useful in future so you can quote the truth.







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  Reply # 979052 2-Feb-2014 21:24 Send private message

Sideface: The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.


I thought format shifting was legal since the last review of that law in NZ?




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  Reply # 979053 2-Feb-2014 21:25 Send private message

NZtechfreak:
Sideface: The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.


I thought format shifting was legal since the last review of that law in NZ?


Yes, it is legal. See my reply just above yours.





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  Reply # 979063 2-Feb-2014 21:36 Send private message

freitasm:
NZtechfreak:
Sideface: The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.


I thought format shifting was legal since the last review of that law in NZ?


Yes, it is legal. See my reply just above yours.



Yes it is, however I believe the copy has to come directly from the media you purchased. So if your CD is damaged and you can't format shift off it, then you can't get a digital copy of it at no cost. That is my interpretation of what has happened for th OP.
At least that is the way I read it, as you have to retain a working copy of the original. So I presume if you damage the CD after doing a digital copy, you also have to delete that copy, as you no longer have the original.

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  Reply # 979064 2-Feb-2014 21:38 Send private message

Dairyxox: iTunes match allows you to have legal access to up to 25,000 songs for an annual fee of about EDIT://$39.
Even songs that might have been acquired through dubious means.

Just put then into itunes, and subscribe to match, it will scan through your library and 'purchase' the rights to these songs.

This is great for turning an illegitimate library into a legit one. The main downfalls are the annual subscription (which i think is quite reasonable if you got a large library), and that apparently some people have a trouble with odd songs not 'matching'.

apple.com/nz/itunes/iTunes-Match


It is a pretty good Deal. The other advantage, is I beleive is that it gives you a higher qbitrate track. eg if you had a 128k mp3 that you purchased, it will give you a higher bitrate one.

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  Reply # 979065 2-Feb-2014 21:40 Send private message

mattwnz:
freitasm:
NZtechfreak:
Sideface: The law is an ass.
Purchasers of a CD are allowed to use (not own) one copy - and the sting in the tail is that the CD is the "one copy".
So a copy of your own CD for your own legitimate use (eg an MP3 to play in your car) is theoretically illegal - as it is a copy of a copy.


I thought format shifting was legal since the last review of that law in NZ?


Yes, it is legal. See my reply just above yours.



Yes it is, however I believe the copy has to come directly from the media you purchased. So if your CD is damaged and you can't format shift off it, then you can't get a digital copy of it at no cost. That is my interpretation of what has happened for th OP.
At least that is the way I read it, as you have to retain a working copy of the original. So I presume if you damage the CD after doing a digital copy, you also have to delete that copy, as you no longer have the original.


Ah, I see. That's annoying if the interpretation is correct.




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  Reply # 979074 2-Feb-2014 21:53 Send private message

Have you tried something like http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/ to rip the CD into an ISO image and then trying to recover the lost track from the ISO image.


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  Reply # 979079 2-Feb-2014 22:02 Send private message

Does your intention to use the piece for an audition also have implications ?

Ie its no longer private use and becomes commercial use / performance... Similar to how I can listen to a piece of music in my home but not the same piece at work or in a shop without paying an additional fee ?

A.


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