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Topic # 139123 28-Jan-2014 17:48 Send private message

Can anyone from telecom comment on how far away native IPv6 on VDSL is? I see the VDSL modems telecom is sending out can do v6, would be willing to beta test ;)
(Can provide stuff like smokeping graphs and traceroutes/mtr to various stable v6 endpoints)
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  Reply # 976274 28-Jan-2014 21:51 Send private message

Hi there, that is a very good question. However it is also a very politically and commercially sensitive question. I also won't pretend to know the full status of IPv6 within Telecom and its many product sets. Therefore I'm quite limited in what I can authoritatively say. What I will say is that I do not believe that the release of this feature for VDSL Broadband is imminent. As I say, I cannot speak for other products that Telecom offers.




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  Reply # 976275 28-Jan-2014 21:59 Send private message

cbrpilot: Hi there, that is a very good question. However it is also a very politically and commercially sensitive question.


If it's a "politically and commercially sensitive question" then I suppose I can safety assume Telecom NZ won't be offering Proper Internet access anytime this decade then -.-


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  Reply # 976278 28-Jan-2014 22:02 Send private message

kyhwana2:
cbrpilot: Hi there, that is a very good question. However it is also a very politically and commercially sensitive question.


If it's a "politically and commercially sensitive question" then I suppose I can safety assume Telecom NZ won't be offering Proper Internet access anytime this decade then -.-



Whut?

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  Reply # 976279 28-Jan-2014 22:02 Send private message

Same answer as the Vodafone folks.

In my view this is one project I can't understand being "politically and commercially sensitive question".

Long term project? Yes? full of pitfalls? Yes. But it's not like a new super service that will sway customers from one operator to another. It's just one of those things that need to be done at some point, like changing a firewall. Customers won't know it's being done, but divulging it won't do any damage.







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  Reply # 976298 28-Jan-2014 22:28 Send private message

freitasm: Same answer as the Vodafone folks.

In my view this is one project I can't understand being "politically and commercially sensitive question".

Long term project? Yes? full of pitfalls? Yes. But it's not like a new super service that will sway customers from one operator to another. It's just one of those things that need to be done at some point, like changing a firewall. Customers won't know it's being done, but divulging it won't do any damage.


Apart from letting the competition know our plans and timelines. ;)

There are ongoing conversations about it. It would help if there was the killer application that meant everyone wanted needed that only worked on v6 that forced the hand rather than a request from the geek circles. But if you have a fair amount of address space up your sleeve then the impotence isn't there as much.




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  Reply # 976299 28-Jan-2014 22:31 One person supports this post Send private message

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freitasm: Same answer as the Vodafone folks.

In my view this is one project I can't understand being "politically and commercially sensitive question".

Long term project? Yes? full of pitfalls? Yes. But it's not like a new super service that will sway customers from one operator to another. It's just one of those things that need to be done at some point, like changing a firewall. Customers won't know it's being done, but divulging it won't do any damage.


Apart from letting the competition know our plans and timelines. ;)

There are ongoing conversations about it. It would help if there was the killer application that meant everyone wanted needed that only worked on v6 that forced the hand rather than a request from the geek circles. But if you have a fair amount of address space up your sleeve then the impotence isn't there as much.

Ahem. I think you mean impetus :p

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  Reply # 976300 28-Jan-2014 22:31 Send private message

Problem is... No one WANTS IPv6 until they find out they NEED IPv6.







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  Reply # 976301 28-Jan-2014 22:32 2 people support this post Send private message

plambrechtsen:
freitasm: Same answer as the Vodafone folks.

In my view this is one project I can't understand being "politically and commercially sensitive question".

Long term project? Yes? full of pitfalls? Yes. But it's not like a new super service that will sway customers from one operator to another. It's just one of those things that need to be done at some point, like changing a firewall. Customers won't know it's being done, but divulging it won't do any damage.


Apart from letting the competition know our plans and timelines. ;)
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Well, to be frank, no one but the geek circles care. We're a very niche market and the geeks are probably already on other ISPs (or don't have a choice). I don't see how having a timeline for when you roll out IPv6 would "alert the competition" at all. It's not like you could actually use "we have native ipv6!" to compete with VodaClearSaturnParadiseiHug. (Or vice versa)


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  Reply # 976302 28-Jan-2014 22:33 2 people support this post Send private message

Exactly my point.

There's no ADVANTAGE in having IPv6 in commercial terms, so hiding deployment plans is... silly.





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  Reply # 976304 28-Jan-2014 22:34 Send private message

kyhwana2:
plambrechtsen:
freitasm: Same answer as the Vodafone folks.

In my view this is one project I can't understand being "politically and commercially sensitive question".

Long term project? Yes? full of pitfalls? Yes. But it's not like a new super service that will sway customers from one operator to another. It's just one of those things that need to be done at some point, like changing a firewall. Customers won't know it's being done, but divulging it won't do any damage.


Apart from letting the competition know our plans and timelines. ;)
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Well, to be frank, no one but the geek circles care. We're a very niche market and the geeks are probably already on other ISPs (or don't have a choice). I don't see how having a timeline for when you roll out IPv6 would "alert the competition" at all. It's not like you could actually use "we have native ipv6!" to compete with VodaClearSaturnParadiseiHug. (Or vice versa)



Time lines change, Projects change , Money gets moved about from one pot to another ,

Projects in the Telco space change at very rapid pace




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  Reply # 976307 28-Jan-2014 22:37 2 people support this post Send private message

cbrpilot: Hi there, that is a very good question. However it is also a very politically and commercially sensitive question. I also won't pretend to know the full status of IPv6 within Telecom and its many product sets. Therefore I'm quite limited in what I can authoritatively say. What I will say is that I do not believe that the release of this feature for VDSL Broadband is imminent. As I say, I cannot speak for other products that Telecom offers.


It's hardly political or commercially sensitive.. Unless you will charge extra for it?





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  Reply # 976318 28-Jan-2014 22:41 Send private message

The thing with IP space is that the application providers need to pay for it too. Only our absolute core services have public IPv4 addresses now with everything else only publicly accessible via IPv6.

And when the killer application does come out, its not like as a Telco you can switch a button and all your customers are magically on it.

At the end of the day, in certain industries - especially the tech industry companies have responsibilities. Its collaboration and working for the better good which have developed things like the internet which is now a big money pot for telcos.





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  Reply # 976322 28-Jan-2014 22:52 One person supports this post Send private message

freitasm: Exactly my point.

There's no ADVANTAGE in having IPv6 in commercial terms, so hiding deployment plans is... silly.



I guess if ipv6 has no real commercial value yet, then if telecom were to announce they were working on it, that might mean they had some commercial application that needed it. Otherwise why work on it?

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  Reply # 976332 28-Jan-2014 23:00 Send private message

Mauricio, even if I accept what you say about it having no commercial incentive (which I don't), you have completely ignored the fact that this is a topic that the government is quite interested in. While I have no insider knowledge here, I would personally bet that there is an ongoing dialogue between the big RSPs and the government on this topic. If this were true, then this would make any of those RSPs extremely unlikely to discuss the topic of release dates in an open forum.




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  Reply # 976339 28-Jan-2014 23:15 Send private message

Just to show that bill no one opposed strongly enough will keep causing trouble ;)




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