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  Reply # 717676 15-Nov-2012 13:49 Send private message

gzt: Killlist users will need to exercise good judgement and may need to use quote more on technical topics to avoid confusion.


Why? The kill file is only applied to YOUR view of the forum. Everyone else sees the non-filtered version.

Why do I have the impression people think of this feature as a "I am now empowered to ban users and hide their posts FOR EVERYONE!" when it's not?





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  Reply # 717677 15-Nov-2012 13:51 Send private message

freitasm:
gzt: Killlist users will need to exercise good judgement and may need to use quote more on technical topics to avoid confusion.


Why? The kill file is only applied to YOUR view of the forum. Everyone else sees the non-filtered version.

Why do I have the impression people think of this feature as a "I am now empowered to ban users and hide their posts FOR EVERYONE!" when it's not?



It's confusing isn't it? On the other hand, gives me a good seed list for my plonkfile (tm) :-)

Cheers - N

ps. This is a joke, mostly :-)

pps. That was a joke.

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  Reply # 717689 15-Nov-2012 13:55 Send private message

freitasm:
gzt: Killlist users will need to exercise good judgement and may need to use quote more on technical topics to avoid confusion.


Why? The kill file is only applied to YOUR view of the forum. Everyone else sees the non-filtered version.

Why do I have the impression people think of this feature as a "I am now empowered to ban users and hide their posts FOR EVERYONE!" when it's not?



Well, first of all I'm not disagreeing and I understand exactly what you propose.

I am observing a killlist user will be unaware of the contents of some posts and for some users it will be unclear what exactly what the killlist user is replying to.

Experienced users will tend to intuit over time others killlists and will understand what has occurred.



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  Reply # 717690 15-Nov-2012 13:56 Send private message

gzt:
freitasm:
gzt: Killlist users will need to exercise good judgement and may need to use quote more on technical topics to avoid confusion.


Why? The kill file is only applied to YOUR view of the forum. Everyone else sees the non-filtered version.

Why do I have the impression people think of this feature as a "I am now empowered to ban users and hide their posts FOR EVERYONE!" when it's not?



Well, first of all I'm not disagreeing and I understand exactly what you propose.

I am observing a killlist user will be unaware of the contents of some posts and for some users it will be unclear what exactly what the killlist user is replying to.

Experienced users will tend to intuit over time others killlists and will understand what has occurred.


Now that's a better explanation... 




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  Reply # 717975 15-Nov-2012 21:46 Send private message

If this was an option and I use the'plonk' button in a particular thread, would this 'hide' posts by that user in all threads?

As a forum user I've learnt to implement my own filters,. In some threads a user may have an opinion or input I'll read, but I'll ignore their comments in other post threads. Realistically we're all"plonk"candidates at some time.

Personally I'd rather see a way of showing a positive recognition of posters/forum users that could motive others to get positive recognition. Whilst 'plonk' allows you to ignore a poster whose views you don't share it hardly helps plonkers learn better forum etiquette, not to mention there's an implied arrogance in ignoring parts of any discussion (not acknowledging a post is quite different from being ignorant to it's existence).

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  Reply # 717997 15-Nov-2012 22:09 Send private message

oxnsox: If this was an option and I use the'plonk' button in a particular thread, would this 'hide' posts by that user in all threads?

As a forum user I've learnt to implement my own filters,. In some threads a user may have an opinion or input I'll read, but I'll ignore their comments in other post threads. Realistically we're all"plonk"candidates at some time.

Personally I'd rather see a way of showing a positive recognition of posters/forum users that could motive others to get positive recognition. Whilst 'plonk' allows you to ignore a poster whose views you don't share it hardly helps plonkers learn better forum etiquette, not to mention there's an implied arrogance in ignoring parts of any discussion (not acknowledging a post is quite different from being ignorant to it's existence).


As in a thanks button ala XDA?

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  Reply # 718006 15-Nov-2012 22:42 Send private message

Not familiar with the XDA 'thanks'. Haven't spent enough time there.

But if it's similar to +1, that would be good. Really I suppose I was thinking along the lines of an indicator that showed others respected/valued your posts.

The Trusted mark doesn't reflect the value of your peers to the forum. (But it does have it's place)
Plonk (even though it's a personal and non visible action) just seems like a negative, rather than a positive, way to improve the forum process.

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  Reply # 718014 15-Nov-2012 23:15 Send private message

TL;DR

re plonk...

A compressed 'hide' feature would be helpful. A javascript to just condense/hide the post area then all you see is:

DonGould - This post hidden by your request - show/hide

So, if I want to see what that guy said I can just click on 'show' and it unhides that post.

Whirlpool.net.au has some very good features in this respect, though I've never actually noticed much need for it here on GZ. Most people seem to be fairly polite most of the time.

If you do put a plonk feature in then I also think you should have user visible stats on it.

DonGould

Posts: 1,000, Friends: 5, Plonks: 5,000


I think that would give people a heads up if they're annoying others and others a heads up if that user can be less trusted.

I also suggest a feature to hide (per above) all posts from any user who has over X plonks. Where X is a value I set myself in my profile. So, posts are just filtered out automatically from any one with more than 10 plonks, but you might want to give them 15 chances.

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  Reply # 718224 16-Nov-2012 12:27 Send private message

I see no benefit for it. It may just make threads disjointed, and will potentially increase the number of duplicate posts (the plonker asking/suggesting things that the plonkee might have already posted).

Why can't we just use the manual plonk method we already have, by just skipping past posts of those we want to ignore? It's not like we are talking about 100s of posts...

Finally if I could just make an observation (and potentially be a candidate for being plonked!). The OP asked for feedback on this feature, and seems to be questioning a lot of the subsequent posts against the idea. Why not just implement the feature rather than ask users first? It appears to me that it is a forgone conclusion. Like I said, just my observation.


Cheers.

EDIT: corrected spelling mistake

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Reply # 718250 16-Nov-2012 12:59 Send private message

At one stage of discussion OP totally lost it and got the shotgun out firing indiscriminately. Collateral damage also occurred to non-combatants.

OP later showed admirable restraint in same thread - maybe after restoring caffeine balance.

For anyone arriving in tldr category: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(Usenet)

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  Reply # 718253 16-Nov-2012 13:00 Send private message

Or more likely the OP was just frustrated at posters who didn't seem to be able to understand the concept?

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  Reply # 718254 16-Nov-2012 13:02 Send private message

If the concept is not easily understandable by all/most then it may be misused and pointless?

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  Reply # 718260 16-Nov-2012 13:08 Send private message

Satch: If the concept is not easily understandable by all/most then it may be misused and pointless?


Fair point. Its not an easy concept to grasp for some.

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Reply # 718267 16-Nov-2012 13:14 Send private message

Satch: If the concept is not easily understandable by all/most then it may be misused and pointless?


I think I can hear the sound of shells being clicked into place...

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Nah, the moderators do a great job.

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