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  Reply # 683667 10-Sep-2012 08:07 Send private message

PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


I agree. I think voice, txt, pxt should be unlimited in all plans





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  Reply # 683682 10-Sep-2012 08:39 Send private message

PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?

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  Reply # 683686 10-Sep-2012 08:42 Send private message

PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


While they may have been a shake up for the French market, you only have to look to Australia where you can get unlimited calling and sms along with 4GB of data for A$39.95 per month.

It was a disruptive pricepoint in France, but it's worth considering the Free network was a brand new network that had minimal coverage and massive problems with dropped calls, poor data and sms delivery. Aussie is one of the most competitive mobile markets in the world, and there are a number of plans offering value like this.

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  Reply # 684532 11-Sep-2012 18:08 Send private message

I know NZ prices aren't the best, but the new packages introduced by all three networks are good value, and it's hard to see why you'd need much more than 500MB per month on a phone.  Although UK etc have cheaper prices, they have tethering restrictions, VOIP and messaging app restrictions, and network-locked phones.  On balance, I think we have a reasonable deal here now.
And we have 2 degrees to thank for that

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  Reply # 684544 11-Sep-2012 18:24 Send private message

My galaxy notes alone pulls 1.5GB of data a month (without tethering).

Youtube, dropbox - auto upload from camera, emails, games, voip





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  Reply # 684603 11-Sep-2012 20:52 Send private message

Larger data caps change habits. People will increase their usage and change their habits if they know its safe and viable to do so. I'd wager a large quantity of smartphone users fear having too high 3G usage - ive known of people who got sold a smartphone plan with 1gb of data for example and they were worried to do much more than check their emails. On the flipside, others i know of streamed youtube and then got frustrated when it ran out so fast.

They didn't realize how much data they actually had, everyones just had it ingrained in their heads that high internet usage will mean bill shock at  (or running out of data before) the end of the month. So i think it makes sense the average usage is where it is. If caps went up and people knew what it meant in terms of real world usage, i think we'd see a greater increase in usage across the board.

I never stream or download anything large on mobile data. But if i had a larger cap, i'd definitely utilize it. I ripped through well over 100mb streaming music one afternoon from Google Play Music. And it was probably around 10-15 songs. Barely anything. I'd love to be able to do this all the time.
I'd start using youtube more, i'd consider making video based calls (eg G+ hangouts) etc etc. Instead i just browse and send/receive images and go through a good 300mb+ on my phone (and more when i tether).

Only those on vodafones grandfathered 3GB plans which went from being time limited to what appears to be until further notice, seem to the ones experiencing this level of freedom on their phone (well without paying heaps for it).
For the rest of us, wifi it is.

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  Reply # 684611 11-Sep-2012 21:14 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.

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  Reply # 684703 12-Sep-2012 07:34 Send private message

shk292: I know NZ prices aren't the best, but the new packages introduced by all three networks are good value, and it's hard to see why you'd need much more than 500MB per month on a phone.  Although UK etc have cheaper prices, they have tethering restrictions, VOIP and messaging app restrictions, and network-locked phones.  On balance, I think we have a reasonable deal here now.
And we have 2 degrees to thank for that


I think 500mb is enough for someone just learning to use a smartphone. For savvy users who want to stream music/video, upload photos etc it most certainly is not. I currently have 2GB on a plan from Telecom and it is still not enough. I would most definitely use more if I could. 




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  Reply # 684715 12-Sep-2012 08:33 Send private message

Lokhor, that's a very good point. I've had a smart phone for two years but don't do much of that stuff, probably in part because I am subconsciously aware of using up precious data allowance. I'm visiting UK soon, where I'll be on an unlimited data tariff (for ten pounds a month), it will be interesting to see if my habits change

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  Reply # 684718 12-Sep-2012 08:37 Send private message

PaulBrislen:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.


France has 62m population with roughly 67 million mobile subscribers. That is well over ten times the size of the NZ market. 
France has a population density of 117 people per square km,  Nz has a population density of 16 people per square km.  
So not only is the market itself way bigger, but the populaiton is vastly more concentrated meaning it is vastly cheaper to serve them with a mobile network (and a fixed network for that matter)

In other words,  it's totally irrelevant what offers are available in France, (or Germany, or the UK, or pretty much any other country that doesn;t at leats bear passing similarity to NZ) since there are so many differences between the countries that comparisons are utterlymeaningless.


there is an old phrase used when someone makes a point totally irrelevant to the discussion that goes
"what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

maybe we should change that phrase to
"What does that have to do with the price of mobile services in France?"




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  Reply # 684725 12-Sep-2012 08:52 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.


France has 62m population with roughly 67 million mobile subscribers. That is well over ten times the size of the NZ market. 
France has a population density of 117 people per square km,  Nz has a population density of 16 people per square km.  
So not only is the market itself way bigger, but the populaiton is vastly more concentrated meaning it is vastly cheaper to serve them with a mobile network (and a fixed network for that matter)

In other words,  it's totally irrelevant what offers are available in France, (or Germany, or the UK, or pretty much any other country that doesn;t at leats bear passing similarity to NZ) since there are so many differences between the countries that comparisons are utterlymeaningless.


there is an old phrase used when someone makes a point totally irrelevant to the discussion that goes
"what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

maybe we should change that phrase to
"What does that have to do with the price of mobile services in France?"




I no longer buy into this "NZ is too small we can't have it here cock and bull"

A year ago people were complaining that we dont have enough data and our pices are too high here in NZ. The same story then was we can't have it here due to the small size of NZ and the small amount of subscribers ...

Looks where we are now. Data/calls and texts at very reasonable rates. Just look at whats happened to the $19 prepay plans in the last 2 or so months.

PS: Australia has a population of 2.9 people per square km. Look at the services they offer. Sure, not the entire country is covered. But then same with NZ


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  Reply # 684731 12-Sep-2012 09:00 Send private message

I have 3gb of data on Vodafone and i still manage to max it out.
Would be good to have some unlimited plans but im not hoping for it to be coming anytime soong.

What i would like to see is Telecom or Vodafone splitting there homebroadband between devices at home such as phones tablets laptops etc.

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  Reply # 684734 12-Sep-2012 09:02 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.


France has 62m population with roughly 67 million mobile subscribers. That is well over ten times the size of the NZ market. 
France has a population density of 117 people per square km,  Nz has a population density of 16 people per square km.  
So not only is the market itself way bigger, but the populaiton is vastly more concentrated meaning it is vastly cheaper to serve them with a mobile network (and a fixed network for that matter)

In other words,  it's totally irrelevant what offers are available in France, (or Germany, or the UK, or pretty much any other country that doesn;t at leats bear passing similarity to NZ) since there are so many differences between the countries that comparisons are utterlymeaningless.


there is an old phrase used when someone makes a point totally irrelevant to the discussion that goes
"what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

maybe we should change that phrase to
"What does that have to do with the price of mobile services in France?"





Ah good, something to discuss instead of just "you're wrong". 

We look at other countries all the time - the OECD continually compares on a like for like basis. It's important that we know what else is on offer, and of course we have to take into account issues like population density, distance to market, cost and all the rest.

But we need to know what is going on elsewhere, what is possible, so we can gauge how well we're doing here. We're certainly better than we used to be, but what are the other options that we should be looking at? I'd say European pricing is for the most part about 18 months ahead of our own, but in some areas we're ahead of them.

I wouldn't know that if I refused to look simply because they've got more people than we do.

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  Reply # 684736 12-Sep-2012 09:04 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.


France has 62m population with roughly 67 million mobile subscribers. That is well over ten times the size of the NZ market. 
France has a population density of 117 people per square km,  Nz has a population density of 16 people per square km.  
So not only is the market itself way bigger, but the populaiton is vastly more concentrated meaning it is vastly cheaper to serve them with a mobile network (and a fixed network for that matter)

In other words,  it's totally irrelevant what offers are available in France, (or Germany, or the UK, or pretty much any other country that doesn;t at leats bear passing similarity to NZ) since there are so many differences between the countries that comparisons are utterlymeaningless.


there is an old phrase used when someone makes a point totally irrelevant to the discussion that goes
"what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

maybe we should change that phrase to
"What does that have to do with the price of mobile services in France?"





But is the population density really all that bad in NZ?

http://www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz/people/distribution-population.html

"The New Zealand population is highly urbanised. At the 2006 Census, 86 percent of the population was living in an urban area. This includes 72 percent living in main urban areas (population of 30,000 or more), 6 percent living in secondary urban areas (10,000–29,999) and 8 percent living in minor urban areas (1,000–9,999)."

 

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/people_and_communities/Geographic-areas/urban-rural-profile/main-urban-areas/people.aspx

"Main urban areas had a population density of 522.8 people per km2, more than twice that of satellite urban areas, and considerably above the national average of 14.2 people per km2."

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  Reply # 685671 13-Sep-2012 16:13 Send private message

shk292: I know NZ prices aren't the best, but the new packages introduced by all three networks are good value, and it's hard to see why you'd need much more than 500MB per month on a phone.  Although UK etc have cheaper prices, they have tethering restrictions, VOIP and messaging app restrictions, and network-locked phones.  On balance, I think we have a reasonable deal here now.
And we have 2 degrees to thank for that


Don't forget that in the UK handsets are usually available free to on on-contract users, with free upgrades every couple of years as well. Plenty of friends and family in the UK have iPhone 4S handsets they paid zero up front for on unlimited data and calls plans on 18 month terms for less than $50 a month.

To be fair, in the UK many people still regard pay as you go as something that is only used by people with inadequate credit ratings rather than a deliberate choice. I'm not sure what the current pricing is as I have not been back in years, but last time I was there, contract was much cheaper if you had the credit score to get it.








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