Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
Buying anything on Amazon? Please use the Geekzone Amazon aff link.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 
83 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 687210 17-Sep-2012 16:32 Send private message

One thing I didn't see mentioned here - once carriers start offering unlimited data, it becomes more of a price war that they'd probably want to avoid where one offers it for x, next offers it for x-10, next time it gets lower etc. And over time people are going to start using more and more for the same price. Not an ideal situation for anyone in the market really

5365 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 878


  Reply # 687218 17-Sep-2012 16:37 Send private message

Azzura:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen:
NonprayingMantis:
PaulBrislen: Meanwhile, Free in France is offering unlimited voice and TXT and a 3GB/month package for EU20.

Interesting times, eh?


so what?


Did you not understand what I wrote?

Given enough demand, you can have all the things listed in the original post at a realistic price. It's happening elsewhere in the world and I'd hope it could come to NZ as well. Voice and TXT should be unlimited - I'll just buy data, thanks.

That's what.


France has 62m population with roughly 67 million mobile subscribers. That is well over ten times the size of the NZ market. 
France has a population density of 117 people per square km,  Nz has a population density of 16 people per square km.  
So not only is the market itself way bigger, but the populaiton is vastly more concentrated meaning it is vastly cheaper to serve them with a mobile network (and a fixed network for that matter)

In other words,  it's totally irrelevant what offers are available in France, (or Germany, or the UK, or pretty much any other country that doesn;t at leats bear passing similarity to NZ) since there are so many differences between the countries that comparisons are utterlymeaningless.


there is an old phrase used when someone makes a point totally irrelevant to the discussion that goes
"what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

maybe we should change that phrase to
"What does that have to do with the price of mobile services in France?"





But is the population density really all that bad in NZ?

http://www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz/people/distribution-population.html

"The New Zealand population is highly urbanised. At the 2006 Census, 86 percent of the population was living in an urban area. This includes 72 percent living in main urban areas (population of 30,000 or more), 6 percent living in secondary urban areas (10,000–29,999) and 8 percent living in minor urban areas (1,000–9,999)."

 

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/people_and_communities/Geographic-areas/urban-rural-profile/main-urban-areas/people.aspx

"Main urban areas had a population density of 522.8 people per km2, more than twice that of satellite urban areas, and considerably above the national average of 14.2 people per km2."


I guess that would be useful if phone companies only offerd coverage in urban areas, or if the rban density for NZ was roughly the same as the urban density for France


I couldn't quickly find urban population density for France overall, but Paris population density isaround 21,000 people per sqkm.  That is MASSIVELY higher than NZs 522 for urban areas.  Aven Auckland (surely our most densly populated city) only has density of 2,700/sqkm, around 1/10th of France's population density  (wellington is 890/sqkm)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland





1383 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 216

Trusted

  Reply # 687235 17-Sep-2012 16:52 Send private message

Why don't you ask Vodafone/Telecom/2Degress or one of the Virtual players? No one here knows the answer. That's not the say everyone here won't speculate to the cows come home though.

Or is this just worry that even though the horse hasn't moved in ages, we should just flog it a bit more to be sure?

7683 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 440


  Reply # 687237 17-Sep-2012 16:57 Send private message

I don't think in the USA they offer true unlimited mobile broadband anymore. I think it is often a couple of GB, and then it is crippled to dialup speed.

3027 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 559

Trusted
Microsoft NZ

  Reply # 687258 17-Sep-2012 17:31 Send private message

mattwnz: I don't think in the USA they offer true unlimited mobile broadband anymore. I think it is often a couple of GB, and then it is crippled to dialup speed.


There are still several carriers offering "unlimited" data in US, but they have fine print about fair use policies etc

2047 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 294

Trusted
Subscriber

Reply # 687313 17-Sep-2012 19:01 Send private message

eXDee: If caps went up and people knew what it meant in terms of real world usage, i think we'd see a greater increase in usage across the board.

But it makes much greater commercial sense to not make this sort of information widely known as the less people actually use of the data they've paid for the greater the profit there is to be made.

1 | 2 | 3 
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic




Twitter »
Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





Trending now »

Hot discussions in our forums right now:

Am I going down? App for the fearful of flying.
Created by networkn, last reply by Sideface on 29-Jan-2015 23:07 (47 replies)
Pages... 2 3 4


Police Speed Campaign - Summer 2014/2015
Created by nzkiwiman, last reply by TLD on 31-Jan-2015 10:20 (175 replies)
Pages... 10 11 12


Which canon flash?
Created by esawers, last reply by timmmay on 30-Jan-2015 16:15 (19 replies)
Pages... 2


Bad lower back.
Created by TimA, last reply by jimbob79 on 30-Jan-2015 16:01 (77 replies)
Pages... 4 5 6


New to VDSL and wondering if I can change where the modem connects in the house
Created by Valcor, last reply by quickymart on 29-Jan-2015 20:59 (17 replies)
Pages... 2


AdBlockers on Geekzone
Created by freitasm, last reply by wally22 on 29-Jan-2015 09:55 (69 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


Post your Boat
Created by TimA, last reply by DarthKermit on 31-Jan-2015 08:53 (32 replies)
Pages... 2 3


Help recognize big black spider nope
Created by solival, last reply by heylinb4nz on 30-Jan-2015 13:34 (16 replies)
Pages... 2



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.