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Topic # 129503 18-Sep-2013 10:06 Send private message

If you don't know what that is, some basic info is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotspot_(Wi-Fi)#Hotspot_2.0

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  Reply # 897440 18-Sep-2013 10:11 Send private message

Why when carriers are deploying 4G / LTE and increasing capacity on 3G with Dual carrier / tri carrier / Quad carrier sites




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  Reply # 897441 18-Sep-2013 10:16 Send private message

Why would mobile carriers want to implement something that moves paying subscribers onto something else (and off their network)?

I see lots of benefit to the end user. But it makes absolutely no business sense.

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  Reply # 897457 18-Sep-2013 10:28 Send private message

Presumably this could still be metered. If so, it'd be great for Telecom with all of the congestion issues that they've been having recently, and of course they already have Wi-Fi-enabled payphones all over the place.

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  Reply # 897459 18-Sep-2013 10:30 Send private message

The answer is in the first link. In some urban areas operators may have constraints in band availability or high utiilisation. Using fixed line to distribute "bandwidth" to WiFi hotspots and allowing their customers to automatically login to these hotspots can help alleviate these constraints. This is money saved and better service offering.





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  Reply # 897466 18-Sep-2013 10:39 Send private message

Is this not somewhat of the aim of Telecom fitting WiFi to most of their payphone sites?




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  Reply # 897467 18-Sep-2013 10:40 Send private message

I would wonder whether this may be the next progression from Telecom's current wifi hotspot trial. Would be interesting, but the problem with most wifi solutions is coverage and range on the allowable frequencies and power output levels. It would have to be a fairly tight mesh, imo, to offer sufficient coverage to be worthwhile, unless it were only focused on very specific, high-density small-footprint areas.




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  Reply # 897469 18-Sep-2013 10:41 Send private message

johnr: Why when carriers are deploying 4G / LTE and increasing capacity on 3G with Dual carrier / tri carrier / Quad carrier sites


because its expensive.

Alot of carriers overeasa offload their data to Wifi to reduce cost to their customers.

I see Telecom doing this with their Wifi rollout.

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  Reply # 897473 18-Sep-2013 10:48 Send private message

Sounddude:

Alot of carriers overeasa offload their data to Wifi to reduce cost to their customers.


Do you have some examples?

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  Reply # 897476 18-Sep-2013 10:51 Send private message

Telecom... Maybe.. It's one of the reasons why they have deployed Ruckus gear.

WiFi offload however is a brain dead idea that has about as much hope of surviving as WAP did. Ultimately it'll die off because there is far more logic in deploying small scale cellsites.

It's a stupid concept that attempts to provide a seamless end user experience across two different PHY layers but can never do this because they have very little in common with very different RF characteristics and characteristics when under load.

 

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  Reply # 897481 18-Sep-2013 10:55 Send private message

Behodar: Presumably this could still be metered. If so, it'd be great for Telecom with all of the congestion issues that they've been having recently, and of course they already have Wi-Fi-enabled payphones all over the place.


dont the payphones connect to their 3G network anyway though?

it would make sense than having an dsl connection to each payphone, but not so much from the data congestion point of view.

anyone know how they asctually connect to the internet?













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  Reply # 897485 18-Sep-2013 10:59 Send private message

hamish225: dont the payphones connect to their 3G network anyway though?

I've never heard that (but I'm not saying that you're wrong). Particularly in the case of older payphones that have been there for decades they must have a cabled connection of some sort, but I have no idea whether it's still used.

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  Reply # 897488 18-Sep-2013 11:01 Send private message

hamish225:
Behodar: Presumably this could still be metered. If so, it'd be great for Telecom with all of the congestion issues that they've been having recently, and of course they already have Wi-Fi-enabled payphones all over the place.


dont the payphones connect to their 3G network anyway though?



No..

Telecom did trial some payphones in remote areas on AMPS/DAMPS in the 90's for voice but my understanding is they were all canned a long time ago.

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  Reply # 897494 18-Sep-2013 11:02 Send private message

hamish225:
dont the payphones connect to their 3G network anyway though?

it would make sense than having an dsl connection to each payphone, but not so much from the data congestion point of view.

anyone know how they asctually connect to the internet?


Most, if not all, of the payphones that are wifi hotspots, use DSL or Fibre for their connectivity.




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  Reply # 897622 18-Sep-2013 12:59 Send private message

Had a friend in UK who had a BT internet connection which included a shared WiFi connection to other BT customers.

He could walk 5km down the street and his phone would jump from WiFi connections of BT Modems as he went so he didn't use 3g.

Presumably the system didn't charge data to the householder. Thought that was eligant. Not sure it would work here as household density wouldn't be high enough.



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  Reply # 897626 18-Sep-2013 13:03

IMHO NZ doesn't need these - we have low density populations and an abundance of spectrum.

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