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Topic # 87981 12-Aug-2011 09:37 Send private message

Hi all

Would appreciate some advise and clarification if I may, as am considering shifting my Home Office over to something like XNet Fusion as the $$ Im paying Telecom etc are adding up.

At the moment I have 2 lines coming in (~ $50 each) , each with Call Minder, one with Faxability, then Internet Access with XNet, plus Data Charges and then Tolls with XNet.  All up its coming to around $220+ / month.

Our house is a new build in which I did all the ETH wiring myself.  I have a CAT5 line coming for the Phone LInes,  for which Ive got 2 pairs going into an 8Port Telecom module in my Patch/Distribution point.  There is an ADSL Filter on the Office Phone prior to it entering the 8 port module.

This allows me to patch any of the two incoming lines to up to 8 ports on my Patch Panel, and then distribute to any 8 outlets around the house.  At the moment Im using 1 port for Office Phone, 1 port for Fax machine and 1 port for Home Phone (using a Base Station to link in 3 handsets).

For ADSL Router have a TD 8840 which holds a nice solid connection.  This is connected to an unmanaged switch, although I can change that to my 3Com managed one if need be.

Ive played with Asterisk in the past, and in the future may look at using that on Fusion ... but for now Im just wanting to use our normal phones, with an ATA Device.

What Im looking at is:

* Keep the TD 8840 and put this in Half Bridge mode  to then place behind it a Linksys SPA2102.  Is this preferred/ideal?  I know the SPA2102 will give me two lines to patch in.

* Ive read varying reports as to the number of physical phones you can have on a given line.  Is it possible to patch through more than one physical phone (ie not using a base station) to a single line?  Or is it single phone to single line scenario?

* Provisioning.  I presume, at the onset, I can just buy the SPA2102, get an account started with Xnet and start testing in some way?  Would be wanting to be 100% sure its all going to work before dropping the "Phone line" with Telecom.  From peoples experience what is their downtime (phone and internet) when transferring an existing number from Telecom to "Naked DSL"?

* Seem to be leaning towards XNet as opposed to Genius, mainly because I dont need one of their handsets and need two phone lines.  Genius doesnt appear to support "other devices" than their own?

* Is there anything else I havent considered? Anything you would do differently in this situation.  Having the house fully wired gives me some flexibility, hence why Id be looking at a VOIP PBX sometime in the future ... as I have a virtualised server already running for Freeview and "Work"

Cheers

Craig 

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  Reply # 505354 12-Aug-2011 10:03 Send private message

Knew there was more :)

Faxing.

From what Ive been able to glean, the SPA2102 does support faxing from a normal "fax machine", but Id guess the receiving wont work?  I see XNet does allow you to have different numbers attached to a single line with distinctive rings.  Would this allow a FAX to receive OK ... or would you have to use their Fax/Email service?

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  Reply # 505366 12-Aug-2011 10:23 Send private message

The 2102 is fine , you can have a number of phones connected to the line depending on the type generally 2 or 3 should be okay.

You can use the 2102 now on your existing connection to test the setup, should be no issue there.

You also have a large number of options with VFX as well, controlled via a web portal both basic and advanced , which will give you a large amount of flexibility, these are cloud based services so if you line is done we look after the call. I.e your Voice-mail will still work, Calls can auto fail-over with Call forward unreachable, call waiting can be turned off or on ... up to you.

Basic,
Voicemail
Speed Dials
Call Forwarding Options
(Always/Busy/No Answer)
Call Hold
Call Return
Call Waiting
Call Name Delivery
Last Number Redial
Do Not Disturb
Anonymous Call Rejection
Call Notify
Three-Way Calling
Call Forward Unreachable
Caller ID Delivery

Advanced
Alternate Numbers (Multiple Numbers per User)
Call Forward Selective
CommPilot Call Manager
CommPilot Express
Diversion Inhibitor
Priority Alert
Remote Office
Selective Call Acceptance
Selective Call Rejection
Sequential Ring
Simultaneous Ring

As for Faxing, generally Fax works pretty well over our network but Fax is pretty susceptible to any latency Jitter issues but in saying that the 2102 is fine with faxing. The other option is there is a Fax to Email service available as well, once again hosted in our server so will work if your DSL is off line.




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  Reply # 505368 12-Aug-2011 10:27 Send private message

maverick: The 2102 is fine , you can have a number of phones connected to the line depending on the type generally 2 or 3 should be okay.

You can use the 2102 now on your existing connection to test the setup, should be no issue there.

You also have a large number of options with VFX as well, controlled via a web portal both basic and advanced , which will give you a large amount of flexibility, these are cloud based services so if you line is done we look after the call. I.e your Voice-mail will still work, Calls can auto fail-over with Call forward unreachable, call waiting can be turned off or on ... up to you.

Basic,
Voicemail
Speed Dials
Call Forwarding Options
(Always/Busy/No Answer)
Call Hold
Call Return
Call Waiting
Call Name Delivery
Last Number Redial
Do Not Disturb
Anonymous Call Rejection
Call Notify
Three-Way Calling
Call Forward Unreachable
Caller ID Delivery

Advanced
Alternate Numbers (Multiple Numbers per User)
Call Forward Selective
CommPilot Call Manager
CommPilot Express
Diversion Inhibitor
Priority Alert
Remote Office
Selective Call Acceptance
Selective Call Rejection
Sequential Ring
Simultaneous Ring

As for Faxing, generally Fax works pretty well over our network but Fax is pretty susceptible to any latency Jitter issues but in saying that the 2102 is fine with faxing. The other option is there is a Fax to Email service available as well, once again hosted in our server so will work if your DSL is off line.


Thanks.  What about the provisioning of the numbers?

Does XNet provide like a "trial ph number" to allow you to register your ATA device, make sure it all works etc ... then plan the "go live" where you transfer Ph Numbers to XNet (we already have all our calls with XNet) and drop the "line rental" to Telecom?

PS.  My ping times to Xnet are typically around 49ms with Jitter around 1-3 ms.

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  Reply # 505370 12-Aug-2011 10:31 Send private message

Yes correct, when you sign up you will be allocated a new number depending on what region you are in, then you can port at any time up to you, all that happens is that the device config is updated with your ported number, generally there is very little "down" time and the process usually takes an a few minutes up to an hour or two




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  Reply # 505528 12-Aug-2011 14:08 Send private message

If you are planning to use the ATA as a router, then I'd recommend a WRP400 (or SPR521). The SPA2102 is an older device and doesn't handle router that well. Also I have found voice quality to be better on the newer devices.

Sing out if you need any help in this. I do a lot of Fusion installs, so can step you through everything you need to know.

Cheers
Fraser




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  Reply # 505547 12-Aug-2011 14:23 Send private message

Ohhh bugger. That scuppered that plan. No VFX to Gisborne :(



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  Reply # 505559 12-Aug-2011 14:36 Send private message

thekiwi: Ohhh bugger. That scuppered that plan. No VFX to Gisborne :(


Just checking other providers ....

How is it that 2Talk list Gisborne as a place which they can port your number too, but XNet cant?  Even Slingshot seems to support number portability ...?



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  Reply # 506845 15-Aug-2011 15:16 Send private message

thekiwi:
thekiwi: Ohhh bugger. That scuppered that plan. No VFX to Gisborne :(


Just checking other providers ....

How is it that 2Talk list Gisborne as a place which they can port your number too, but XNet cant?  Even Slingshot seems to support number portability ...?


Just signed up with 2Talk and they can port our existing numbers to their "VOIP Setup" ... but XNet cant .  Seems odd ?

Anyway, now Im stuck between two differing opinions on what should be "activated" first.

We have 2 phone lines, one with ADLS "linked" to it, as well as Faxability

1)  Xnet Support say to start the Naked DSL provisioning and then once that is done, that will "free" the number from the DSL and can then be ported to where ever we want.  Downside is that as soon as the line goes naked, we lose our phone "capability", and are at vthe whim of however long it takes to port numbers.

but

2) 2Talk support say to port the numbers first and then do NakedDSL.



 

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  Reply # 507722 17-Aug-2011 09:48 Send private message

maverick: Yes correct, when you sign up you will be allocated a new number depending on what region you are in, then you can port at any time up to you, all that happens is that the device config is updated with your ported number, generally there is very little "down" time and the process usually takes an a few minutes up to an hour or two


This looks like a relevant post which I should have read before posting my own.

I have TCL cable and want to move to VoIP. Just wondering if this procedure will work.

Sign up for Fusion and get a new number (in Wellington).

Get the SPA2102 working with the new number.

Call up TCL to disconnect my landlines.

Port my existing numbers to Fusion

Disconnect the incoming landline wiring at the demarc outside the house.

Plug the output from the ATA to an extension in the wall.

Enjoy new VoIP service on all extensions in the house.




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  Reply # 507725 17-Aug-2011 09:52 Send private message

Do not cancel your landline before you port, if you cancel it you will not be able to port as you will no longer own the number :)




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  Reply # 509078 19-Aug-2011 16:27 Send private message


Can someone please clarify for me the Bridge Mode bit.

At the moment Ive got it all working OK, but with the SPA2102 in NAT.

ie

Internet ----TD8840 ----- Switch --- SBS Network
            ----- SPA2102 -- Phone

So all Ive got is my 8840 patched into my 24 port switch, and the "Internet" port on the SPA2101 plugged into 1 of the 4 ETH ports in the 8840. Ive set a reserved IP Address in my SBServer and so the SPA2102 gets an internal IP Address for my network and uses the default gateway of the TD8840.

I can turn on QoS on the 8840 ... or is that better done at the SPA2102?

Just not sure why I would turn on Bridge Mode?

PS.  Had a further play and decided to set the SPA2102 into Bridged mode to basically turn of NAT, left the "NEtwork" port empty, and stayed connected via the "Internet" port to my TD8840.  IS this OK?



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  Reply # 511173 24-Aug-2011 12:48 Send private message

maverick: Do not cancel your landline before you port, if you cancel it you will not be able to port as you will no longer own the number :)


So is the best approach to minimise downtime and avoid losing our 2 phone numbers:
* Request Customer Link with Telecom to redirect our 2 home lines to our 2 new 2Talk numbers.  Does this retain the ADSL line?
* Once that is all working, Request change of our XNEt ADSL to be Naked DSL (with XNet).  By requesting NakedDSL, that doesnt "cancel" our landline?
* Once that has shifted across, request number port of our two phone lines to 2Talk

(PS Would do all this with XNet, but unfortunately they cant port for Gisborne, whereas 2Talk can).


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