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Topic # 97239 14-Feb-2012 21:55 Send private message

Anyone know where to find the updated guides:

Cisco_Small_Business_IP_Telephony_Provisioning_Guide

SPA_Provisioning_v3

 

I have the PDF versions of these two documents that cover the SAP 2102/PATA2 etc.

Where do I find the updated version?

 

I contacted the Cisco helpdesk but they were not able to find the documnets and suggested the best place to ask the question was the forum, but got no response.

 

I specifically want to know if I can create a provisioning file for my tftp server to auto provision these things the same way I was with the SPA2102

 

I've had a quick look at the new model and can see that I can just provisioin one and then save and restore the file (nice feature btw).

 

I see there are a few different tags in this model. 

 

Does it just follow the same rule set?

 

Can I just create a file called spa122.cfg in the root of my tftp server?  I tried this but it doesn't seem to have worked.

Can I just create mac files the same as for the spa2102?

 

Is there a better way to preprovsion these things?

 

What did you designers have in mind?

 

Also were do I find out about v6 support for these?  Is there a different firmware?

 

ps:  Also nice to see that they're not limited to 7.5mbit in router mode   Got a bit embarrised over that one on the SPA2102.




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  Reply # 581622 15-Feb-2012 06:22 Send private message

Provisioning is identical - you simply use the Cisco SPC tool to compile the cfg file. You can also use raw XML files now for configuration if you want, the easiest thing is to simple extract the raw XML from the device and start from there.


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  Reply # 581623 15-Feb-2012 06:25 Send private message

Yes there is , is slightly different but suggest you get it off Cisco or your friends at 2talk if they have access as it's not generally open to all.

The devices are an improvement from the pap2 and 2102, I worked a lot with Cisco development team on the betas for these doing a bit of testing so if they don't preform that well here , guess you can blame me and a couple of my team, basically they are subsets of the SRP5xx code and provision the same way.




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  Reply # 581651 15-Feb-2012 08:40 Send private message

Did you notice that the 122's have a really long boot up time? Also who's bright idea was it to change line config settings from _1_ and _2_ to _0_ and _1_

My general feeling is that there isn't anything better about then when compared to 2102's




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  Reply # 581656 15-Feb-2012 08:58 Send private message

Actually there is some major improvements , having a general "look" you won't see it if you dont know what your looking for but performance is far better, As I said this follows the Srp5xx specs




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  Reply # 581664 15-Feb-2012 09:21 Send private message

maverick: The devices are an improvement from the pap2 and 2102, I worked a lot with Cisco development team on the betas for these doing a bit of testing so if they don't preform that well here , guess you can blame me and a couple of my team, basically they are subsets of the SRP5xx code and provision the same way.


I did notice a bunch of the things I commented on when I first got going with this stuff is in the new version, so if you had a hand in that, thanks.  :)

I haven't used the compiler before, I just used a plan xml file with the 2102's.

How do I extract the XML from the 122?  I could see a way to do a back up, but when I looked at the file it didn't look like xml to me... perhaps I just did it wrong?








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  Reply # 581665 15-Feb-2012 09:22 Send private message

Well so far they boot slower, XML Prov has been changed majorly for seemly no benifit, The much touted improved Fax Support is on par if not worse compared to the 2102's. TR-069 is nice to have and why is the backup and restore file encrypted?

If you mean improved throughput thru the device as performance then yes you are correct, Other than that explain the major improvements to the dev deam who are bashing their heads on any wall available because of the 122's.




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  Reply # 581671 15-Feb-2012 09:38 Send private message

Well sorry beg to differ, Fax works great both to PStN, T38 and fallback devices on net and off net, guess not all voice networks are built the same... Slight dig there sorry.

booting slower ,lol if that's the biggest gripe you have over the product then I wouldn't be too phased over it, I know I'm not, Thayer don't need to be booted every few minutes so don't see an issue really.

As I have pointed out, this device follows the prov standards around the srpxxx range so it brings it into the same product family, this is great when you use the whole product sweets and up to you on how you use it, we haved used these forbears and as far as we are concerned great improvements, totally up to you how you use the product, but if the 2102 and pap2 work for , stay on those, we will and are using and recommending these new devices works really well on our deployments




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  Reply # 581684 15-Feb-2012 10:01 Send private message

maverick: Well sorry beg to differ, Fax works great both to PStN, T38 and fallback devices on net and off net, guess not all voice networks are built the same... Slight dig there sorry.

booting slower ,lol if that's the biggest gripe you have over the product then I wouldn't be too phased over it, I know I'm not, Thayer don't need to be booted every few minutes so don't see an issue really.

As I have pointed out, this device follows the prov standards around the srpxxx range so it brings it into the same product family, this is great when you use the whole product sweets and up to you on how you use it, we haved used these forbears and as far as we are concerned great improvements, totally up to you how you use the product, but if the 2102 and pap2 work for , stay on those, we will and are using and recommending these new devices works really well on our deployments


You can tell your quite far remove from the support end. A slow boot time will lead to clients calling if they have an issue, rebooting it and having a 2-3 minute's before it works. Most likely the circuit will come up while they are on the phone to you guys.

As for FAX, I refer you to the release notes,
T.38, NSE passthrough, and multi-page fax transmissions frequently fail. (CSCtr91066, CSCtr91213, CSCts95552)
T.38 fax fallback to G711 does not work. (CSCtt03632)
T.38 fax calls fail between two fax machines that are connected to the same SPA122. (CSCtu09175)

Then you have the rest of the issues, Like this Gem, 

Calls cannot be made if the primary DNS server is unreachable.
(CSCtu12329)


Now hopefully cisco can fix these but until then I stand by my comment that there are little improvements, No digg needed :) 




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  Reply # 581705 15-Feb-2012 10:55 Send private message

well wouldn't say that..... :)

argh the release notes that may explain it then (tend to forget)... we don't actually run that firmware version , I guess you will get an updated code shortly when it's GA,

All I can say is it works well for us, you do what you guys want




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  Reply # 581716 15-Feb-2012 11:07 Send private message

Kinda have no choice since the 2102's are gone but yes, Those are the issues listed with current FW for the 122's and we dont know the super secret cisco handshake to join the cool kids club with the Beta FW :P




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  Reply # 583021 17-Feb-2012 23:13 Send private message

Beccara: Kinda have no choice since the 2102's are gone but yes, Those are the issues listed with current FW for the 122's and we dont know the super secret cisco handshake to join the cool kids club with the Beta FW :P


Not so much of a secret handshake as just lots and lots of mouse clicking.

Thanks guys for the pointers :) 





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  Reply # 583649 20-Feb-2012 00:43 Send private message

Here's one for the road I've been fighting with for the past 12 hours.

FW is 1.0.1, 1.0.2 and 1.1.0

Put the SPA network into bridge mode, Apply and reboot. This works. Take a dump of the xml prov file via http:///admin/config.xml

Put this file on a tftp server or http server (tried both) and reset the SPA via either the GUI or IVR (tried both), Upon reset either hand out tftp server via dhcp opt 66 or login to the SPA and change the profile rule to point to the XML file.

Reboot and wait for the SPA122 to hit the file, Wait.... Nothing changes - SPA is still in NAT mode but in the GUI it will show network mode, You will still get DHCP from the SPA.

Power down SPA and power up.

Enjoy no working lan port, DHCP from the SPA doesn't work, DHCP from the WAN network doesn't work, Static IP on 192.168.15.xxx doesnt work, Static IP on WAN network range doesn't work, no ARP, not a single RX packet. It's dead jim

Login to SPA via WAN IP and look at network mode, It will show as being in Birdge, Hit apply and now it works, You'll get DHCP from the wan network on the lan port.

0 does not work from auto prov server under any of the FW's above over any method (Didn't try TR-069)


Pretty big bug for anyone who uses these in bridge mode via a single interface WAN connection




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