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  Reply # 636421 5-Jun-2012 22:47 Send private message

quickymart: I know a little bit about how TCL work. You're very optimistic Don.


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 DonGould: If anything, this could be a very good move for all consumers given how it would empower Vodafone and can we really see Telecom not fighting back if Vodofone starts to get a jump?...

As consumers, it strikes me we could be in for some exciting times.  ...and that's what the ComCom is all about isn't it?!


What makes you think after spending big dough (probably via considerable leveraged debt) they'd break decades of habit and rush in with mad deals. As Paul points out below they're already dominating the key high value market segment; if anything they'd use such a deal to consolidate then charge accordingly and remain the marvellous little cash cow of Global VF.

"Vodafone has increased its dominant position. While shedding a significant number of low-end prepaid customers it has been able, at the same time, to gain many more valuable postpaid customers.Revenue-wise, it is twice the size of its nearest rival Telecom – Vodafone’s revenue market share is 62% as against Telecom’s 31%. Telecom has been able to improve its position, but, because of strategies such as bundling, 2degrees is stuck at around the 7%-8% of revenue market share, even slightly less than we estimated last year. And unless significant intervention takes place there are no indications that this situation is going to change over the next few years.

At the same time the regional monopoly between Vodafone and Telecom remains more or less the same; as does the difficulty experienced by 2degrees in obtaining affordable access to facilities that would allow them to make their footprint more efficient and effective." Paul Buddle

Meanwhile we see Chorus has cronyed a wonderfully anti-consumer contract with CFH (half the required installation service of the local fibre companies). And the stalwart, highly capable consumer champion Ross Patterson is most likely out on his bum; firmly ejected by Skynetz friend good ole National. I'd say the consumer could well be in for a return to the rough ride'n ripoff past.



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  Reply # 636453 6-Jun-2012 05:59 Send private message

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myopinion: Telstraclear provides us excellent service. I have not experienced better. On the other hand Vodafone well insert expletive here.

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I wonder if they would finally retire the Paradise brand. My wife won't be impressed if they force her off @paradise.net.nz


Didn't they kill all the Paradise email accounts last year and redirect them to Clear.net ones?

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  Reply # 636454 6-Jun-2012 06:07 Send private message

Not if you had your landline with TCL. Otherwise if it was a standalone account, yes.

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  Reply # 636473 6-Jun-2012 08:45 Send private message

I wouldn't like to be in TC head office or sales if this merger goes ahead. Lots of people will lose their jobs just as what happened when Telstra took over Saturn and Clear..




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  Reply # 636479 6-Jun-2012 08:57 Send private message

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KiwiNZ: I am on the VF network, it is great in the cities but movebeyond a kilometre out of the city and service patchy at best


I actually find the exact opposite. 2100Mhz signals struggle to penetrate paper. Once you leave the cities and move to 900Mhz 3G things are sooo much better.


Wouldn't all the sites in the main centres have been upgraded to support the 900MHz signals too? I can see that most sites in the main centres on the Cell Sites Map also do 900MHz.

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  Reply # 636480 6-Jun-2012 08:58 Send private message

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sbiddle:
KiwiNZ: I am on the VF network, it is great in the cities but movebeyond a kilometre out of the city and service patchy at best


I actually find the exact opposite. 2100Mhz signals struggle to penetrate paper. Once you leave the cities and move to 900Mhz 3G things are sooo much better.


Wouldn't all the sites in the main centres have been upgraded to support the 900MHz signals too? I can see that most sites in the main centres on the Cell Sites Map also do 900MHz.


No, Vodafone haven't rolled out 900MHz 3G in urban areas yet - it's 900 GSM only.


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  Reply # 636510 6-Jun-2012 10:03 Send private message

sbiddle:
Skolink:
myopinion: Telstraclear provides us excellent service. I have not experienced better. On the other hand Vodafone well insert expletive here.

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I wonder if they would finally retire the Paradise brand. My wife won't be impressed if they force her off @paradise.net.nz


Didn't they kill all the Paradise email accounts last year and redirect them to Clear.net ones?

quickymart: Not if you had your landline with TCL. Otherwise if it was a standalone account, yes.

We have only naked cable with TCL, and still have @paradise.net.nz email accounts (and antiquated webmail).

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  Reply # 636705 6-Jun-2012 14:48 Send private message

Interesting post, about how we could end up with a duopoly if VF buys TC

http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2012/0606.shtml#continue

Personally I don't think it has any really advantages for the consumer.

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  Reply # 636754 6-Jun-2012 15:59 Send private message

langers1972: More on this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion/7052893/Why-TelstraClear-is-for-sale



Very interesting opinion piece.

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  Reply # 636761 6-Jun-2012 16:08 Send private message

old3eyes: I wouldn't like to be in TC head office or sales if this merger goes ahead. Lots of people will lose their jobs just as what happened when Telstra took over Saturn and Clear..


As well they should. Dr Freeth should have long ago had a clean out of management of this organization except he should be the first to step down. It's long been an ineffective ISP despite it's many assets. Well managed it could/should have been an absolute powerhouse with the resources at it's disposal.


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  Reply # 636809 6-Jun-2012 17:11 Send private message

Skolink: We have only naked cable with TCL, and still have @paradise.net.nz email accounts (and antiquated webmail).

That's on-account - I'm talking about people paying by direct debit/credit card with no other TCL services at all.

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  Reply # 636851 6-Jun-2012 18:02 Send private message

old3eyes: I wouldn't like to be in TC head office or sales if this merger goes ahead. Lots of people will lose their jobs just as what happened when Telstra took over Saturn and Clear..


Considering how much TCL like to use the annoying and frankly Bottom Feeding sales methods most people seem hate I would say that is a good thing.

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  Reply # 636859 6-Jun-2012 18:18 Send private message

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old3eyes: I wouldn't like to be in TC head office or sales if this merger goes ahead. Lots of people will lose their jobs just as what happened when Telstra took over Saturn and Clear..


As well they should. Dr Freeth should have long ago had a clean out of management of this organization except he should be the first to step down. It's long been an ineffective ISP despite it's many assets. Well managed it could/should have been an absolute powerhouse with the resources at it's disposal.



That's an interesting thing to say.

Another way to look at it is that Allan is keeping a bunch of people, including him self, employed with resources that were gained from overseas.

We often complain about how the banks are taking profits off shore.  Well Allan does seem to have been doing quite a good job of making sure TelstraClear doesn't add to that tide.

Money it would seem is going to staff, contractors and consumers in the form of lower prices.

I could be very wrong, not suggesting I'm right, and some of you closer to the company than I am will have a better idea.

But this is how it looks in part from an out side point of view.






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  Reply # 636862 6-Jun-2012 18:21 Send private message

Well, what can i say... i have been happy with my services offered by TC, until they moved to using off shore call centres, wait times, language barriers and the like are the biggest hurdle.  other than that when we had a significant service issue, yes the fix took to long but their response to apologising and offering compensation came very quick.  The cable internet service exclusive to TC in NZ is far better than any broadband delivered over the copper network in my opinion and that has been my major sticking point and was my major drawcard on top of which the amount i pay for triple services is very competitive against thier rivals.  TBox could do with a major shakeup, thouch wood i have been fairly lucky in cmparison, but it still has a way to go, and maybe a fresh investment could look at the options.  The bigest thing if anything to come out of a merger if itgoes ahead should be the mobile offer, a service i know vodafone can do well, if they put an offer directly against telecom.  The $20 / $29 deal is well and truly beaten by all three rivals, the only good thing about it is the lowest per minute call rates.  and the offer is old 4 years old in fact, they have spent focus on thier core (broadband) secondory focus on the TBox, and maintained all other services as staus quo, and only in the last 6 months or so brought out a decent range of handsets including smartphones, but no plan to back them up...  I think Telstra should go back to focussing on broadband and landlines and handover digital TV and mobile but then i would probably end up paying more and having two or three bills... Arrrggghh

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