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Topic # 104686 20-Jun-2012 08:50 Send private message

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/7134129/Joyless-deal-for-problem-bride






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  Reply # 643624 20-Jun-2012 09:52 Send private message

Reads like "Run Telstra, run while the company has any value at all to anyone, if you can get ComCom to agree that it's ok to go..." with a little warning attached.... "hey ComCom, Telstra pay no tax! Vodafone at least pay some tax here, are you really really REALLY going to block a sale that results in New Zealanders not being used as a tax dodge?"

I'll confess... I find it just amazing how these business guys stack up card ready for the pay off like loading the bases or setting up the chess board and to it by using different sets of 'rules'.




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  Reply # 643665 20-Jun-2012 10:30 Send private message

To me the key question from this is without the initial investment by Saturn / Telstraclear in their networks in CH & Wn to provide competition to Telecom - where would we be now?

Personally its Tax money well spent plus any Tax loss is a direct result of COMCOM's decision in 90's that said it was ok for Telecom to reduce prices where Saturn was introducing its networks ( rather than nationally) - hence no wonder Saturn full network never expanded beyond CH&WN. 


While it appears to be the end days for telstra - I am pleased they came when you look at the infrastructure that they provided such as telstraclears fibre national backbone which has been a big asset for large corporates in negotiating WAN prices / service and the competition for old pre restructure Telecom although I suspect that people outside of CH & WN may have a different view.


I just hope COMCOM:
a. handle any Chorus monopoly effectively, and
b. look into SKY's influence on TV content and distribution including any restrictive practices on their part.  


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  Reply # 643707 20-Jun-2012 11:54 Send private message

D1023319: To me the key question from this is without the initial investment by Saturn / Telstraclear in their networks in CH & Wn to provide competition to Telecom - where would we be now?

Personally its Tax money well spent plus any Tax loss is a direct result of COMCOM's decision in 90's that said it was ok for Telecom to reduce prices where Saturn was introducing its networks ( rather than nationally) - hence no wonder Saturn full network never expanded beyond CH&WN. 


While it appears to be the end days for telstra - I am pleased they came when you look at the infrastructure that they provided such as telstraclears fibre national backbone which has been a big asset for large corporates in negotiating WAN prices / service and the competition for old pre restructure Telecom although I suspect that people outside of CH & WN may have a different view.


I just hope COMCOM:
a. handle any Chorus monopoly effectively, and
b. look into SKY's influence on TV content and distribution including any restrictive practices on their part.  



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  Reply # 643729 20-Jun-2012 12:31 Send private message

D1023319: To me the key question from this is without the initial investment by Saturn / Telstraclear in their networks in CH & Wn to provide competition to Telecom - where would we be now?

Personally its Tax money well spent plus any Tax loss is a direct result of COMCOM's decision in 90's that said it was ok for Telecom to reduce prices where Saturn was introducing its networks ( rather than nationally) - hence no wonder Saturn full network never expanded beyond CH&WN. 


While it appears to be the end days for telstra - I am pleased they came when you look at the infrastructure that they provided such as telstraclears fibre national backbone which has been a big asset for large corporates in negotiating WAN prices / service and the competition for old pre restructure Telecom although I suspect that people outside of CH & WN may have a different view. 


Didn't that national fiber backbone come from Clear who in turn bought it from Transrail??




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  Reply # 643750 20-Jun-2012 13:03 Send private message

It's interesting that analysts keep raising competition issues - in an industry that suffers from so much regulation.

The Commerce Commission have done plenty of things over the years that have driven prices up, with the regulated UBA wholesale cost making up a significant chunk of a residential broadband connection. Basing regulated pricing using a retail minus calculation based on Telecom's retail pricing has done a lot fo harm the industry.

Vodafone buying TCL for their TV playout capabilities (which are all IP based now) would no doubt of of great concern for Sky. There is no technical reason why IPTV can't be delivered right now over DSL or UFB connections using their hardware.


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  Reply # 643753 20-Jun-2012 13:05 Send private message

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D1023319: To me the key question from this is without the initial investment by Saturn / Telstraclear in their networks in CH & Wn to provide competition to Telecom - where would we be now?

Personally its Tax money well spent plus any Tax loss is a direct result of COMCOM's decision in 90's that said it was ok for Telecom to reduce prices where Saturn was introducing its networks ( rather than nationally) - hence no wonder Saturn full network never expanded beyond CH&WN. 


While it appears to be the end days for telstra - I am pleased they came when you look at the infrastructure that they provided such as telstraclears fibre national backbone which has been a big asset for large corporates in negotiating WAN prices / service and the competition for old pre restructure Telecom although I suspect that people outside of CH & WN may have a different view. 


Didn't that national fiber backbone come from Clear who in turn bought it from Transrail??


The vast majority has been deployed since then, and what will happen with the Kordia stake in this network will be interesting also. Much of the fibre is a joint network owned (from memory) 25% by Kordia.


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  Reply # 643795 20-Jun-2012 13:45 Send private message

D1023319: To me the?key question from this is without the initial investment by Saturn / Telstraclear in their networks in CH & Wn to provide competition to Telecom - where would we be now?

Personally its Tax money well spent plus?any Tax loss?is a direct result of?COMCOM's decision in?90's that said it was ok for Telecom to reduce prices where Saturn was introducing its networks ( rather than nationally) - hence no wonder Saturn?full network never expanded beyond CH&WN.?


While it appears to be the end days for telstra - I am pleased they came when you look at the infrastructure that they provided such as telstraclears?fibre national backbone which has been a big asset for large corporates in negotiating WAN prices / service and the competition for old pre restructure Telecom although I suspect that people outside of CH & WN may have a different view.


I just?hope COMCOM:
a. handle any Chorus monopoly effectively, and
b. look into SKY's influence on TV content and distribution including any?restrictive practices on their part.??



Wasn't most of the setup done by saturn, who planed to roll it across the entire country? They were then purchased.

Too much regulation makes getting investment into these companies very very difficult, as has been proven by the share prices of these telcos. I do think there does need to be some regulation of content, but sky did invest heavily into their network, to get it all setup, so they do want some payoff for that. We don't want to be too heavily regualted.
I think they should look at regulating parking enforcemnet, such as wheel clamping, before some of these other things.

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