Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
Buying anything on Amazon? Please use the Geekzone Amazon aff link.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10
717 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 146

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 655827 15-Jul-2012 09:10 Send private message

I currntly use TCL for my phone and broadband, SKY for my TV - I switched due to the late and subsequent problematic T-Box offering (not sure if that's improved - but that's another topic).

What I would like to know is how this will affect the pay tv offering.  Will they continue to back the T-Box or will they come to market with a new improved IPTV service?  Sky can't be holding all the cards for the broadcast licences, otherwise TVNZ etc would have nothing to show.  I agree, more money in the pot means they will have better purchasing power - however will this just mean that we will end up paying more for the same content (maybe this is another thread also).

Secondly is the mobile offering.  Currently, TCL resell VF - now it will become an in-house service.  I wonder if VF will begin to offer a competitive 4 way package; TV, BB, landline and mobile with some better integration in service between landline and mobile.

I guess all of this is premature as the ComCom have not yet confirmed if it will go ahead!




Procrastination eventually pays off.

1808 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 227


  Reply # 655946 15-Jul-2012 12:57 Send private message

Asrafrate: I'd be keen to know how this will affect companies like 2degrees.

I wouldn't think it would make much difference as TCL didn't have their own mobile network, just resold Vodafone's product :)

853 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 49


  Reply # 656088 15-Jul-2012 18:35 Send private message

quickymart:
Asrafrate: I'd be keen to know how this will affect companies like 2degrees.

I wouldn't think it would make much difference as TCL didn't have their own mobile network, just resold Vodafone's product :)


To me the opportunity for someone like 2 degrees is to buy a small to medium ISP. Snap would be around the right size.

Essentially it comes down to leveraging infrastructure, if you are building a fibre backbone and installing switching gear, you could and should leverage this across mobile and fixed line broadband.

You could see some really innovative stuff if 2degrees moves into this space. I am thinking maybe a femtocell ala suresignal, but with a bit more smarts like a wifi hotpsot and wifi calling.

Jon

7805 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 336

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 656096 15-Jul-2012 18:54 Send private message

Kiwipixter: 

Largest LLU?  Where did you get this from?


Telstraclear put gear in over 60 exchanges which I think is significantly more than Vodafone, Orcon, Compass, Callplus/Slingshot did.

Vodafone's + Telstraclears would easily be the largest.

1508 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 120

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 656106 15-Jul-2012 19:07 Send private message

jonherries:
quickymart:
Asrafrate: I'd be keen to know how this will affect companies like 2degrees.

I wouldn't think it would make much difference as TCL didn't have their own mobile network, just resold Vodafone's product :)


To me the opportunity for someone like 2 degrees is to buy a small to medium ISP. Snap would be around the right size.

Essentially it comes down to leveraging infrastructure, if you are building a fibre backbone and installing switching gear, you could and should leverage this across mobile and fixed line broadband.

You could see some really innovative stuff if 2degrees moves into this space. I am thinking maybe a femtocell ala suresignal, but with a bit more smarts like a wifi hotpsot and wifi calling.

Jon


Thats the key. Something has to change with 2d for them to effectively prevent a duopoly in the mobile space, otherwise VF and TCom will just push hard on triple-play residential bundling and corporate contracts, strangling 2d.

Its hard to tell, but I get the impression the 2d's current backers dont want to be around for the long term, leaving the question of which ISP has the cash to buy them, or who takes over 2d

2883 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 190

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 656116 15-Jul-2012 19:27 Send private message

nickb800: Thats the key. Something has to change with 2d for them to effectively prevent a duopoly in the mobile space, otherwise VF and TCom will just push hard on triple-play residential bundling and corporate contracts, strangling 2d.

Its hard to tell, but I get the impression the 2d's current backers dont want to be around for the long term, leaving the question of which ISP has the cash to buy them, or who takes over 2d


Hopefully not Singtel, but I suppose that would be the obvious one. I guess Orcon/Kordia might have some interest.

I don't think that 2degrees needs to have their own DSL service to compete with full package offerings though - they would just need to partner with an existing DSL provider. The only problem is that existing DSL providers like Orcon and Snap already have MNVO arrangement with Telecom and Vodafone which might be difficult to get out of. 

853 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 49


  Reply # 656301 16-Jul-2012 09:34 Send private message

alasta:
nickb800: Thats the key. Something has to change with 2d for them to effectively prevent a duopoly in the mobile space, otherwise VF and TCom will just push hard on triple-play residential bundling and corporate contracts, strangling 2d.

Its hard to tell, but I get the impression the 2d's current backers dont want to be around for the long term, leaving the question of which ISP has the cash to buy them, or who takes over 2d


Hopefully not Singtel, but I suppose that would be the obvious one. I guess Orcon/Kordia might have some interest.

I don't think that 2degrees needs to have their own DSL service to compete with full package offerings though - they would just need to partner with an existing DSL provider. The only problem is that existing DSL providers like Orcon and Snap already have MNVO arrangement with Telecom and Vodafone which might be difficult to get out of. 


I wonder about the economics of being an MVNO, it would appear to me not to leverage your existing infrastructure as it is all about running a VPN over someone elses infrastructure. I would expect that 2degrees should leverage infrastructure that an ISP has installed/purchased to shore up the network and deliver clever innovations.

Jon

1802 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 84


  Reply # 656307 16-Jul-2012 09:51 Send private message

StarBlazer: ....snip......  I wonder if VF will begin to offer a competitive 4 way package; TV, BB, landline and mobile with some better integration in service between landline and mobile.


The first thing VF would have to do to achieve this would be to have a unified billing system.  And since they're still making excuses about how difficult it is to unify the (legacy?) BB customer database with  their Mobile database and billing platform, I'm picking it will be a long time coming! 

Unless of course TCL have a better billing platform(?)..... or this added infrastructure is actually the motivator VF needs to sort this out.

246 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  Reply # 656426 16-Jul-2012 12:57 Send private message

Ragnor:
Kiwipixter: 

Largest LLU?  Where did you get this from?


Telstraclear put gear in over 60 exchanges which I think is significantly more than Vodafone, Orcon, Compass, Callplus/Slingshot did.

Vodafone's + Telstraclears would easily be the largest.


Slingshot says it has 100+ exchanges unbundled, http://www.slingshot.co.nz/betternetwork.



BDFL
50800 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5156

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 656442 16-Jul-2012 13:17 Send private message

I have just confirmed with TelstraClear and they have gear in 61 exchanges around the country.





38 posts

Geek


  Reply # 656475 16-Jul-2012 13:43 Send private message

In the detailed proposal they talk about
* moving Auckland TC customers to Vodafone's unbundled exchanges
* moving Christchurch/Wellington/Kapiti Vodafone customers to TC's cable
* unbundling more exchanges because larger # of customers will make that economically viable
Given the other threads on Geekzone about performance degradation for unbundled users in the cabinetized world that might work out not so well for users.

Also interesting that not all of TC's mobile frequency blocks can be transferred to the new entity, because there are caps set by government. By swapping allocations VF can increase from 2x15MHz to 2x25Mhz in some bands, while Telstra (Australia) can retain/sell the rest as it sees fit.




BDFL
50800 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5156

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 656492 16-Jul-2012 13:58 Send private message

nickt: In the detailed proposal they talk about
* moving Auckland TC customers to Vodafone's unbundled exchanges
* moving Christchurch/Wellington/Kapiti Vodafone customers to TC's cable
* unbundling more exchanges because larger # of customers will make that economically viable

Given the other threads on Geekzone about performance degradation for unbundled users in the cabinetized world that might work out not so well for users.


Why not? TelstraClear's customers are already unbundled anyway...





38 posts

Geek


  Reply # 656496 16-Jul-2012 14:04 Send private message

freitasm:

Why not? TelstraClear's customers are already unbundled anyway...

Not all of them if it's 61 exchanges, but I digress. Anyway, am I remembering incorrectly about people asking Orcon to move them from unbundled exchange to cabinet to avoid lower sync rates from crosstalk ? (cue sbiddle & co!). Is there any reason why unbundled TC users wouldn't be subject to the same issues ?



BDFL
50800 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5156

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 656499 16-Jul-2012 14:10 Send private message

All ULL connections would be subject. It's up to the ISP to be pro active and connect the users using the correct connection available.




257 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 62


  Reply # 656525 16-Jul-2012 15:01 Send private message

nickt:
freitasm:

Why not? TelstraClear's customers are already unbundled anyway...

Not all of them if it's 61 exchanges, but I digress. Anyway, am I remembering incorrectly about people asking Orcon to move them from unbundled exchange to cabinet to avoid lower sync rates from crosstalk ? (cue sbiddle & co!). Is there any reason why unbundled TC users wouldn't be subject to the same issues ?


Most of the examples I have seen where customers had problems with cabinetisation were due to cabinets being installed in areas already unbundled creating the problem where it wasn't before.

Not really a problem in a planned migration as appropriate checks can be done before hand.




Please note: I have a professional bias towards Vodafone.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic




Twitter »
Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





Trending now »

Hot discussions in our forums right now:

Bad lower back.
Created by TimA, last reply by cep32 on 29-Jan-2015 07:57 (72 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


I have had enough of Vodafone Customer Service... which ISP is for me?
Created by andrewinwlg, last reply by michaelmurfy on 28-Jan-2015 20:10 (23 replies)
Pages... 2


Am I going down? App for the fearful of flying.
Created by networkn, last reply by SaltyNZ on 29-Jan-2015 08:15 (44 replies)
Pages... 2 3


Police Speed Campaign - Summer 2014/2015
Created by nzkiwiman, last reply by KiwiNZ on 29-Jan-2015 07:12 (130 replies)
Pages... 7 8 9


Spark customers get Lightbox free for 12 months
Created by freitasm, last reply by ARK on 27-Jan-2015 16:35 (137 replies)
Pages... 8 9 10


How (not) to run a hotel
Created by MikeAqua, last reply by BTR on 26-Jan-2015 16:06 (68 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


AdBlockers on Geekzone
Created by freitasm, last reply by freitasm on 29-Jan-2015 07:41 (66 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


Windows 10 News - 22 Jan
Created by Regs, last reply by joker97 on 29-Jan-2015 07:10 (131 replies)
Pages... 7 8 9



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.