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Topic # 59619 8-Apr-2010 07:53 Send private message

I've also had this problem over the last 6 months or so.

I've logged a support call with TCL but they're just pretending not to know anything about the issue and keep sending me messages like:

"Hello Sam, can you advise if http://www.php.net/docs.php appears as an attachment? If you have any further queries"

... without actually listening to me saying its the transparent proxy and that the error is at random.

Note: This was supposed to be in reply to another topic

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  Reply # 316030 8-Apr-2010 08:05 Send private message

What is the save PHP issue?

What are you actually trying to do?


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  Reply # 316042 8-Apr-2010 09:09 Send private message

It does happens sometime - it happened months ago with Twitter for example. Trying to open any page would just result in a Save dialog being shown. Their transparent proxies were messing with the MIME types.

I haven't seen this for a while, but it did happen very frequently before.






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Reply # 316052 8-Apr-2010 09:28 Send private message

Yes it's very aggravating indeed.

I want to stay with Paradise due to the speed their cable network in Christchurch, but we just have so many problems with their network it's ridicules.

It's not like their customer support has any redeeming features either.

It's all too often pages time out or load to a blank page, leaves people on my network thinking the website's done - I'm guessing this is also a problem with their proxy?

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  Reply # 316055 8-Apr-2010 09:37 Send private message

I must say I don't experience such problem though. And I'm in CHC on TCL Cable (coming from Paradise customer)




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  Reply # 316056 8-Apr-2010 09:39 Send private message

The only times we had this problem with page loads IIRC were twice in the last four months when they had proxy problems. Other than that and the occasional "Save" dialog problem (which hasn't happened for me for a while), it's working fine.




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  Reply # 316057 8-Apr-2010 09:40 Send private message

I've never ever experienced this issue.




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  Reply # 316062 8-Apr-2010 09:48 Send private message

Any ideas why I may be more affected than some others?
I do know two other people in town also having similar issues?



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  Reply # 316138 8-Apr-2010 11:33 Send private message

Customer (Sam McLeod) 08/04/2010 11.32 AM
I'm not sure you're listening to me.
These issues are random or intermittent, simply going to a few PHP enabled pages is not good enough to say there is no problem.

Are you able to provide give me contact details of an in-house technician I can speak to?

I've just had word from an associate working work a client using TCL Cable and he had this to say "I'm now having issues with international sites missing stylesheets and
images etc, Ross"

Response  08/04/2010 11.18 AM
Hello Sam,

The links you sent coincided with the outages we had with international browsing.

I have tested some PHP pages from here - it appears to be working ok from here.

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 08/04/2010 07.48 AM
I can't really give you the URLS because it doesn't serve up the PHP as a URL it sends it as an attachment / downloadable file.
It can happy to almost _ANY_ PHP URL.
I've spoken with someone at TCL regarding this before in passing and apparently it's a known issue, probably with your transparent proxy.

This issue is common knowledge for example:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=59429

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=57977

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=57146

Etc, seems to be a new one every couple weeks

It's an ongoing issue that keeps getting resolved, then breaks again, then resolved, then breaks.....

Response (Kelly) 07/04/2010 12.56 PM
Hello Sam,

If you can get any URL's of this happening so I can test this?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
Kelly Pothan
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 11.05 PM
good example just happened to me just then when trying to upload a photo to facebook... I'm sure you've seen a save file dialog box before but you may as well see the attached image.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 06.23 PM
Hi,

At the moment it's rendering correctly.
But you have my word; that at random it will sit there for about 30 seconds then try to save the file.

Response (Kelly) 06/04/2010 05.18 PM
Hello Sam,

Can you advise if http://www.php.net/docs.php appears as an attachment?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
Kelly Pothan
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 01.02 PM
TCL's transparent proxy is causing issues with web pages pages
being delivered as attachments rather than inline, causing a download
window rather than a page being displayed.

It can happen to almost any PHP based site.

Response (Shylo) 06/04/2010 12.54 PM
Hello Sam,

Which PHP pages?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,

TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 05/04/2010 11.00 AM
Telstra / Paradise is having issues with PHP pages again.
PHP pages often try to save a files instead of displaying in your browser.
It's not my computers / browsers nor is it a malformed PHP page being served up by the host.

I know this is one of Telstra's many 'known issues' but it really needs to be fixed ASAP along with the other 'known' youtube problems.

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  Reply # 316364 8-Apr-2010 21:27 Send private message

Hmm, I've never seen this behaviour outside of misconfigured web servers (me trying to get php setup/working).

The caching is setup such that the same site goes through the same cache for everyone. (well, to be precise it's per ip address so big sites can be split across a number of them).  If you're seeing this issue and no one else see's it to the same site/url then it's either an extremely short lived event or there's something else going on.

What browser are you using? If it's firefox you could get one of those plugins (firebug and livehttpheaders are two I've used) that show you the HTTP headers.  The header named "Via: <something>" is the cache that served that particular request, you could see if it's the same cache each time you have problems.  You can also see the mime/content type it is being reported as.

Here's those two headers as I'm seeing them for http://www.php.net/docs.php

Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8
Via: 1.1 bc1

So this is being served by cache "bc1" (I think the 1.1 is the http version).

While we're talking headers, unless it has an Age: header and the value is greater than 0 then it's not a stored/cached copy, but a "live" one.  If there's a via but no age header then the cache has decided it's not cachable. If there's an age header but it's 0 then it simply didn't have it stored (or it was stale and this is a fresh one).

Anyway, if you can capture that sort of info and submit it then it should help any diagnosis/troubleshooting.

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  Reply # 316396 9-Apr-2010 01:14 Send private message

sammcj:
It's all too often pages time out or load to a blank page, leaves people on my network thinking the website's done - I'm guessing this is also a problem with their proxy?


Hmm, I've been having this problem for more than a week, but I haven't got round to determining if it's just my computer/router/modem. I haven't had the page saving issue though.



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  Reply # 316550 9-Apr-2010 14:42 Send private message

Just had a friend email me this:

"Currently I'm getting 10-20KB/s max off debian.slimdevices.com

Switched to snap and got 250KB/s

Funny thing is however that a traceroute shows it going the exact same way
(it goes out to telstraclear from snap, and then is an identical route from
there)

So the route is the same, the only difference is the telstraclear
connection will be going through their transparent proxies whereas the snap
connection will not)

So I am concluding that it is highly likely telstraclear's transparent
proxy is currently causing speed problems on some international websites"



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  Reply # 317703 13-Apr-2010 11:37 Send private message

This just keeps getting worse.

I was unable to browse any PHP based sites for over half an hour last night, I've just had a friend email me saying one of his clients who uses TCL cable is having the same issues.

And what is TCL doing about.... Sweet bugger all!
In fact they've actually stopped replying to me all together.



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Customer (Sam McLeod) 13/04/2010 11.33 AM
This is getting bloody ridiculous, I've just had a friend who is working on another TCL Cable user's internet:

"Ross W
to me 11:31 (0 minutes ago)


Getting problems at the moment with pages displaying the HTTP headers inline, will be their stupid proxy again."

Customer (Sam McLeod) 12/04/2010 09.15 PM
and for this site amongst many others:

http://www.hackint0sh.org/f152/97776.htm

Customer (Sam McLeod) 12/04/2010 09.11 PM
Hello,

Just wondering what is actually being done to rectify TCL's transparent proxy problems?

I'm having issues with PHP pages right now.

For example in the forum:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1179&start=0

Customer (Sam McLeod) 09/04/2010 02.44 PM
Your proxy has some major issues!
I just had this email from a friend:

"Currently I'm getting 10-20KB/s max off debian.slimdevices.com

Switched to snap and got 250KB/s

Funny thing is however that a traceroute shows it going the exact same way
(it goes out to telstraclear from snap, and then is an identical route from
there)

So the route is the same, the only difference is the telstraclear
connection will be going through their transparent proxies whereas the snap
connection will not)

So I am concluding that it is highly likely telstraclear's transparent
proxy is currently causing speed problems on some international websites

Ross"

-Sam.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 08/04/2010 11.38 AM
I don't think the problem is specific to PHP pages, it's just a lot of
pages get their mime info screwed by the proxy and then trigger a download
action from your browser rather than displaying.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 08/04/2010 11.32 AM
I'm not sure you're listening to me.
These issues are random or intermittent, simply going to a few PHP enabled pages is not good enough to say there is no problem.

Are you able to provide give me contact details of an in-house technician I can speak to?

I've just had word from an associate working work a client using TCL Cable and he had this to say "I'm now having issues with international sites missing stylesheets and
images etc, Ross"

Response (Kelly) 08/04/2010 11.18 AM
Hello Sam,

The links you sent coincided with the outages we had with international browsing.

I have tested some PHP pages from here - it appears to be working ok from here.

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
Kelly Pothan
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 08/04/2010 07.48 AM
I can't really give you the URLS because it doesn't serve up the PHP as a URL it sends it as an attachment / downloadable file.
It can happy to almost _ANY_ PHP URL.
I've spoken with someone at TCL regarding this before in passing and apparently it's a known issue, probably with your transparent proxy.

This issue is common knowledge for example:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=59429

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=57977

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=44&topicid=57146

Etc, seems to be a new one every couple weeks

It's an ongoing issue that keeps getting resolved, then breaks again, then resolved, then breaks.....

Response (Kelly) 07/04/2010 12.56 PM
Hello Sam,

If you can get any URL's of this happening so I can test this?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
Kelly Pothan
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 11.05 PM
good example just happened to me just then when trying to upload a photo to facebook... I'm sure you've seen a save file dialog box before but you may as well see the attached image.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 06.23 PM
Hi,

At the moment it's rendering correctly.
But you have my word; that at random it will sit there for about 30 seconds then try to save the file.

Response (Kelly) 06/04/2010 05.18 PM
Hello Sam,

Can you advise if http://www.php.net/docs.php appears as an attachment?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,
Kelly Pothan
TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 06/04/2010 01.02 PM
TCL's transparent proxy is causing issues with web pages pages
being delivered as attachments rather than inline, causing a download
window rather than a page being displayed.

It can happen to almost any PHP based site.

Response (Shylo) 06/04/2010 12.54 PM
Hello Sam,

Which PHP pages?

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit ?My Stuff? within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstraclear.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php.

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,

TelstraClear Customer Care

* Please note TelstraClear, Clearnet and Paradise will not ask for your username and/or password via the email channel without prior agreement. *

This email contains information which is confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete this email and any attachments. TelstraClear Limited accepts no responsibility for changes made to this email or to any attachments after transmission from TelstraClear Limited. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Emails are not secure. They can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed and may contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with TelstraClear Limited by email is taken to accept these risks.

Customer (Sam McLeod) 05/04/2010 11.00 AM
Telstra / Paradise is having issues with PHP pages again.
PHP pages often try to save a files instead of displaying in your browser.
It's not my computers / browsers nor is it a malformed PHP page being served up by the host.

I know this is one of Telstra's many 'known issues' but it really needs to be fixed ASAP along with the other 'known' youtube problems.

Auto-Response 05/04/2010 11.00 AM
Thank you for taking advantage of TelstraClear's Online Help service. It's our aim to provide you with a web experience which gives you the flexibility of easily finding the information you require, at a time that suits you.

A wide range of product and technical information can be found within our Online Help knowledgebase.

First time users of our Online Help service will receive a further email with their My Stuff login details. My Stuff is the place where you can submit and track all of your online communication with us.

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  Reply # 317728 13-Apr-2010 12:27 Send private message

Intermittent problems are always a pain.

You could use a proxy application to capture the http headers and response content while you're having a problem with a specific site.

Eg:

Filddler
HttpFox Addon for Firefox
Wireshark



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  Reply # 317732 13-Apr-2010 12:34 Send private message

Thanks Ragnor,

I think I'll try that.

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  Reply # 318945 15-Apr-2010 17:02 Send private message

I am having the "Save as" problem with Twitter right now (15th April 2010 5pm).




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