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  Reply # 380600 16-Sep-2010 12:21 Send private message

very awesome speed unfortunately unpractical in nz, coz we and aus are prob the only 2 place in the world with broadband usage limit...

i'd rather have something like 10mbps internet with unlimited usage



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  Reply # 380602 16-Sep-2010 12:26 Send private message

It all deends on how you use it. 100Mbps may not be for yur mom and dad email usage, but if you do like us then it is a different thi.g...

We download iTunes movies twice a week, do online backups every day, have two VOIP lines, frequent video conferencing and most importanty work from home with large files... Then it gets interesting.

Now if your only use is email, or torrenting a truckload of content that can't possibly be consumed in your lifetime...




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  Reply # 380658 16-Sep-2010 14:13 Send private message

freitasm: It all deends on how you use it. 100Mbps may not be for yur mom and dad email usage, but if you do like us then it is a different thi.g...

We download iTunes movies twice a week, do online backups every day, have two VOIP lines, frequent video conferencing and most importanty work from home with large files... Then it gets interesting.

Now if your only use is email, or torrenting a truckload of content that can't possibly be consumed in your lifetime...


Video conferencing?

You and Biddlecorp then....?




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  Reply # 380663 16-Sep-2010 14:23 Send private message

Laugh if you want, but each day where I work, we make multiple video calls with desktop sharing, between teams in the US and NZ. It's an essential part of doing international business from this side of the world.

This is only possible because of the ~100Mbs net connection we have to them. For this to be available to small businesses would really open up export markets. Same for people telecommuting from home.

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  Reply # 380667 16-Sep-2010 14:26 Send private message

freitasm: It all deends on how you use it. 100Mbps may not be for yur mom and dad email usage, but if you do like us then it is a different thi.g...

We download iTunes movies twice a week, do online backups every day, have two VOIP lines, frequent video conferencing and most importanty work from home with large files... Then it gets interesting.

Now if your only use is email, or torrenting a truckload of content that can't possibly be consumed in your lifetime...


Some ISP's in Europe manage to deliver 4 IPTV channels (1HD 3SD) at the same time over 25Mbps, I think the headline sync rates are less of an issue, rather the sustained throughput you can expect.

Be interesting to know if the 100Mbps customers will be on the same circuit as the "normal" customers or if they are ringfencing backhaul for them.

Great Business grade product though, good to see some innovation and investment.

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  Reply # 380704 16-Sep-2010 15:33 Send private message

Jamms:
th3r3turn: lol yea that is true, so what sort of people would want this kind of connection? apart from alot of torrent freaks?


Tele workers that do more then simple text documents . That kind of connection is about good enough to work with graphics files or large databases over the network, vnc into remote machines to work on and video conference with a room full of people.
 


I RD onto remote machines and there's no need for 100Mbps for that.  As many others have mentioned, it's the upstream connections that are more often than not the weak link.  Good for downloading content that's on CDNs, though and for users sharing their connection - cue outrage from people who suddenly realise their "54 Mbps" wireless router is now the bottleneck.

Excellent news that TCL are upping the ante in the broadband stakes and not just drip feeding improvements to match xDSL speeds.


EDIT:  In your case Jamms, I'm guessing you have a dedicated 100Mbps line to your team in the US, which would be a different experience to having a 100Mbps connection to TCL and then best-effort via the Internet to the rest of the world.


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  Reply # 380766 16-Sep-2010 17:09 Send private message

I have also voiced my concern on international speed many times before. Nevertheless, it's great to know that they are trialling new things. Good luck Freitasm, and please do keep us posted.

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  Reply # 380811 16-Sep-2010 19:16 Send private message

antoniosk:
freitasm: It all deends on how you use it. 100Mbps may not be for yur mom and dad email usage, but if you do like us then it is a different thi.g...

We download iTunes movies twice a week, do online backups every day, have two VOIP lines, frequent video conferencing and most importanty work from home with large files... Then it gets interesting.

Now if your only use is email, or torrenting a truckload of content that can't possibly be consumed in your lifetime...


Video conferencing?

You and Biddlecorp then....?


HD videoconferencing - him on DOCSIS3 and me on VDSL2! Smile


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  Reply # 380813 16-Sep-2010 19:19 Send private message

freitasm: Just a heads up... I had an interesting update from TelstraClear's project manager on new plans last night.

If all go well we might have a 100Mbps down/10Mbps up DOCSIS3 cable modem installed here at home for testing from next week.

As discussed here plans updates are being rolled out from October, with new plans for the DOCSIS3 service being rolled out later in the year.

Really looking forward to testing this... Have been a TelstraClear customer for many years, since the Chello service was first rolled out in Wellington, before Saturn came into play.



It's a shame I don't get to play with it. I was originally one of the first ~10 trial users on the cable modem platform with the old Com 21 modems. I remember when the traffic was routed via Actrix who in those days had less backhaul than the cable modem service could deliver from the head end!

Infact for the TCL people who are reading this Michael Newbery actually installed my modem! Smile




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  Reply # 380858 16-Sep-2010 20:29 Send private message

sbiddle:
freitasm: Just a heads up... I had an interesting update from TelstraClear's project manager on new plans last night.

If all go well we might have a 100Mbps down/10Mbps up DOCSIS3 cable modem installed here at home for testing from next week.

As discussed here plans updates are being rolled out from October, with new plans for the DOCSIS3 service being rolled out later in the year.

Really looking forward to testing this... Have been a TelstraClear customer for many years, since the Chello service was first rolled out in Wellington, before Saturn came into play.



It's a shame I don't get to play with it. I was originally one of the first ~10 trial users on the cable modem platform with the old Com 21 modems. I remember when the traffic was routed via Actrix who in those days had less backhaul than the cable modem service could deliver from the head end!

Infact for the TCL people who are reading this Michael Newbery actually installed my modem! Smile


Do you have time for this these days? thought you were pretty busy in the real world....




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  Reply # 380859 16-Sep-2010 20:31 Send private message

sbiddle:
antoniosk:
freitasm: It all deends on how you use it. 100Mbps may not be for yur mom and dad email usage, but if you do like us then it is a different thi.g...

We download iTunes movies twice a week, do online backups every day, have two VOIP lines, frequent video conferencing and most importanty work from home with large files... Then it gets interesting.

Now if your only use is email, or torrenting a truckload of content that can't possibly be consumed in your lifetime...


Video conferencing?

You and Biddlecorp then....?


HD videoconferencing - him on DOCSIS3 and me on VDSL2! Smile



Oddly enough, having a PC - with Video card and webcam - capable of punching an HD stream is pretty important to. I have a medium age machine, a one-year old dual-core monster, and a Microsoft HD webcam... and the monster can't keep up. My Core i5 at work can barely process one HD stream as well.

But I'm up for it....




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  Reply # 380877 16-Sep-2010 21:05 Send private message

Linuxluver: I'd be interested to know how the traffic routes. 

How much stuff goes to Sydney and back to get to an ISP across the street? 

I was a Saturn cable customer in Kapiti from 1998 through to about 2004 (By which time I think it was Telstra-Clear). It was an awesome service at the time. 2mbps down and 256kbps up and national traffic was free. I loved it. 

But I hear Telstra later tried to make other ISPs pay for interconnection (like in OZ) and if they didn't pay (or weren't Telecom) their traffic got sent to LA or Sydney and had to find its way back. AT&T in the US was doing the same kind of thing at about the same time....and in the NZ context it was very much at odds with the prevailing Kiwi Internet ethic (embodied in APE and the equivalent in Wellington) of everyone connecting to everyone for free and all share the benefit of that. 

Does Telstra still send traffic destined for other locals overseas first? 




Both Telecom and Telstra de-peered from APE and WIX in 2004, came to a commercial agreement to peer with each other and then sold as many DIC (domestic internet connectivity) circuits to other ISP's and hosts as possible.

If you're a host or an ISP you basically have to have a circuit with either Telecom or Telstra.

The philosophy the internet worked on is a host or isp builds/buys transit to a peering exchange then freely peers, this went out the window in NZ because the two largest ISP's have too much market share/power.

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  Reply # 380887 16-Sep-2010 21:21 Send private message

Linuxluver: I'd be interested to know how the traffic routes. 

How much stuff goes to Sydney and back to get to an ISP across the street? 

I was a Saturn cable customer in Kapiti from 1998 through to about 2004 (By which time I think it was Telstra-Clear). It was an awesome service at the time. 2mbps down and 256kbps up and national traffic was free. I loved it. 

But I hear Telstra later tried to make other ISPs pay for interconnection (like in OZ) and if they didn't pay (or weren't Telecom) their traffic got sent to LA or Sydney and had to find its way back. AT&T in the US was doing the same kind of thing at about the same time....and in the NZ context it was very much at odds with the prevailing Kiwi Internet ethic (embodied in APE and the equivalent in Wellington) of everyone connecting to everyone for free and all share the benefit of that. 

Does Telstra still send traffic destined for other locals overseas first? 




Yes, Telstra do not openly peer. They hold the same attitude as Telecom that because they are so big and important that they shouldn't work together like every other ISP to improve interconnectivity as much as possible between the ISPs. The same as Telecom, they use their dominant market position to bully smaller competitors into paying them or make the smalelr player face the cost of sending the data to LA or Sydney and back.

As UFB roles out there will be a digital divide between Telecom/Telstra and all the other ISPs. In the end it won't work for Telstra or Telecom as content providers are not going to pay for a network carrier to provide a service to their end users who they subsequently charge (double dipping). It will be like when TVNZ on demand firs tcame out, there will be a national source for open peerers and Telecom/Telstra will have to pay to get the content from the US if they don't want to peer.





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  Reply # 380890 16-Sep-2010 21:23 Send private message

A dual core processor should have no issues decoding a 1920x1080 video stream and an i5 should be able to do it on around 10% processor usage. Make sure the correct decoders and any hardware acceleration you have available is utilised.

This 100Mbps service sounds excellent. I can't wait to see some speed test results. I wonder if there will be an improvement to international locations. I am assuming to sell a service like this they will have to add some capacity per customer.



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  Reply # 380919 16-Sep-2010 21:55 Send private message

Just so you guys know, TelstraClear has put up a website for the trial feedback: http://www.warpspeed.co.nz/





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