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Topic # 97773 20-Feb-2012 12:44 Send private message

Does TelstraClear have any plan options that allow unmetered internet traffic to other TS subscribers?

I have a number of friends and family that I would encourage to switch to TS if I could set up a VPN between us and have any traffic NOT be charged to BOTH parties (upload+download).

From a marketing perspective, this would have similar advantages to Vodafone's "Best Mate's" phone feature, encouraging associates onto the same network.

And from a business productivity point of view, I believe it would ACTUALLY increase productivity and innovation (unlike the silly claims that UFB/TV-pipe will! :p)

Besides considering a Broadband unlimited plan, I seem to recall one ISP that offered a "Pay an additional $20 for unlimited national traffic".


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  Reply # 583844 20-Feb-2012 12:47 Send private message

No, they don't have anything like this.




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  Reply # 583866 20-Feb-2012 13:44 Send private message

Nope. Some of their DSL customers might be on telecom wholesale, so they can't do this.

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  Reply # 583889 20-Feb-2012 14:14 Send private message

hopefully thinking. telstrasaturn used to have 1/10th billing for national traffic. but they ditched it.

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  Reply # 584023 20-Feb-2012 16:47 Send private message

mercutio: hopefully thinking. telstrasaturn used to have 1/10th billing for national traffic. but they ditched it.


Sounds like you are implying Cable Connections here?
As a Cable usere im all for this as the added cost to Telstra would in theroy be minimal as its still on there own network.

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  Reply # 584088 20-Feb-2012 18:24 Send private message

For cable they could do it but they won't.

It would increase congestion or at least consumed bandwidth within their domestic network for little gain in revenue.



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  Reply # 584185 20-Feb-2012 21:21 Send private message

Taking the commercial realities into account, and providing something new in the market, I'd propose something like this:

  • $5-$10 extra per month for each nominated TS "BestMate".
  • An additional allocation of 2 x your international monthly allowance is free between you and your BestMate, during hours 7am-12pm (e.g. If you're on a 40GB plan, you get 80GB of traffic to/from your BestMate)
  • Unmetered (free) traffic between BestMates during the hours of 12am-7am. (Useful for mutual offsite backups)
 = Additional revenue + minimal increase in congestion + little cost to TS + great new marketing angle.

Now's (that's) Good! :)

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  Reply # 584186 20-Feb-2012 21:23 Send private message

Of course, that would only work on the cable network and/or DSL if you're on telstra's DSLAMS with their own backhaul..

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  Reply # 584195 20-Feb-2012 21:44 Send private message

If you contact Unleash they will definitely be able to do something like this for you with a mix between ADSL, VDSL2 and anything at all really. Can build whatever plan you want with them....





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  Reply # 584197 20-Feb-2012 21:54 Send private message

so if SLINGSHOT are advertising Unlimited interwebs, when do Telstra play catch up,

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  Reply # 584200 20-Feb-2012 22:00 Send private message

phantomdb: so if SLINGSHOT are advertising Unlimited interwebs, when do Telstra play catch up,


Slingshot offer un-metered internet, wouldn't call it "unlimited", how about those peak time speeds... lots of data at slow rates appeals to a different market than Telstraclear who have always aimed to be a higher end option.

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  Reply # 584257 20-Feb-2012 23:06 Send private message

phantomdb:
mercutio: hopefully thinking. telstrasaturn used to have 1/10th billing for national traffic. but they ditched it.


Sounds like you are implying Cable Connections here?
As a Cable usere im all for this as the added cost to Telstra would in theroy be minimal as its still on there own network.


i dunno if telstraclear even did adsl at that point in time.  i'm thinking around 10 years ago..

it's not about "cost" it's about "profit"
 

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  Reply # 584286 21-Feb-2012 01:15 Send private message

Zeon: If you contact Unleash they will definitely be able to do something like this for you with a mix between ADSL, VDSL2 and anything at all really. Can build whatever plan you want with them....


Yeah I was thinking the same, we also have quite literally hundreds of DSL connections as part of various WAN solutions.

It can be done, however whether residential users are willing to pay the slightly extra costs is another question. Easier to get your friends and family on an ISP which does unlimited plans, unless of course you have a specific need to have full inter-site connectivity.

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  Reply # 584336 21-Feb-2012 09:24 Send private message

geekPete: Does TelstraClear have any plan options that allow unmetered internet traffic to other TS subscribers?




It was never listed on the plans, but they used to.  I used to stream music from home to work continuously and never got billed for the traffic.

I guessed the router which did the metering was further out in the network from where the cable subscriber=>cable subscriber routing was done.  This meant that two cable subscribers would get free traffic.

I don't know if the loophole still exists, or how you would test it now that they don't tell you the IP addresses you're being billed for. 




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  Reply # 584341 21-Feb-2012 09:33 Send private message

Netsolutionz here in the top of the south offer that service on there dsl and fibre network. All local traffic is free on there network, we sign up all our clients to them as they also hold our data centre, free traffic on backup's (some clients are pushing 20gb a night) and virtual clients/servers etc is rather handy!

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  Reply # 584799 21-Feb-2012 20:37 Send private message

Guys,
        you're talking about some significant complexity within a BRAS/BNG platform to selectively generate billing records for some traffic and not for others.  Think of it like cisco access list example.
You have 5 network ranges ( say customer ranges A,B, C, D & E). You have the Internet ( everything else thats not one of your local customer ranges, X).
5x5+1 = 26 statements in that access list thtat allows for customer to customer interaction without hitting the bottom rule that says "It's from somewhere else, generate a billing record"

1) If from A to A, exit, no billing
2) if from A to B, exit, no billing
...
24) If from E to D, exit, no billing
25) If from E to E, exit, no billing
26) Bill it, it's from elsewhere/The Internet.

It might not describe the most perfect way of doing things but it can be done if you're a tier 2 or tier 3 ISP, but it becomes nightmareish to do when you get beyond a certain size.
The classifiers within a BRAS to do that sort of thing very quickly get eaten up.

Then you also have to factor on doing that at 1Gbps or 10Gbps linerate as well.
It quickly ceases to be a business/marketing problem and becomes a technical capability nightmare.

The Classifiers that do the work that this needs are rare and are often better used to do things like zero-rating/unmetering traffic to a media content provider like Ziln.

These are also not small boxes, they are upwards of $150K and handle customer connection loadings in to order of 10s of thousands.

As the phrase goes, "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride".









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