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  Reply # 751757 28-Jan-2013 09:28 Send private message

macuser:

Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.


 

I don't really use the metro apps at all, but I use the new start menu heaps, and like it far more than the old one, but spend at least 80% of my time in desktop mode, so although I don't want to bring the old start menu back, being able to opt to boot into desktop mode rather than straight into metro could be good


Windows Key and and typing to find what you want isn't new to Windows 8. Windows 7 had it too (and I think Vista). I am finding your commentary is a little hard to take seriously and smacks to me of trolling. 

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  Reply # 751759 28-Jan-2013 09:36 Send private message

 
Windows Key and and typing to find what you want isn't new to Windows 8. Windows 7 had it too (and I think Vista). I am finding your commentary is a little hard to take seriously and smacks to me of trolling. 


Typing was there, universal search wasn't?   No one I knew used the typing feature on Win 7, regular people anyway.

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  Reply # 751763 28-Jan-2013 09:46 Send private message

macuser:
 
Windows Key and and typing to find what you want isn't new to Windows 8. Windows 7 had it too (and I think Vista). I am finding your commentary is a little hard to take seriously and smacks to me of trolling. 


Typing was there, universal search wasn't?   No one I knew used the typing feature on Win 7, regular people anyway.


The new search functionality is worse in windows 8. A user now has to select a category (apps, settings or files), before clicking search. And lets not forget that searching will hijack the full screen.



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  Reply # 751773 28-Jan-2013 09:53 Send private message

macuser:
 
Windows Key and and typing to find what you want isn't new to Windows 8. Windows 7 had it too (and I think Vista). I am finding your commentary is a little hard to take seriously and smacks to me of trolling. 


Typing was there, universal search wasn't?   No one I knew used the typing feature on Win 7, regular people anyway.


I am not sure what you mean. I can find programs, control panel items, accessories, documents, emails in W7 without any issue. I know plenty of people who use W7 that way, I teach everyone I interact with in a professional capacity to use it. Also the Start Menu in W8 isn't as simple to browse, you have to "scroll" and not up and down like a normal OS, but side to side so they could be "different"

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  Reply # 751774 28-Jan-2013 09:53 Send private message

Klipspringer:
macuser:
 
Windows Key and and typing to find what you want isn't new to Windows 8. Windows 7 had it too (and I think Vista). I am finding your commentary is a little hard to take seriously and smacks to me of trolling. 


Typing was there, universal search wasn't?   No one I knew used the typing feature on Win 7, regular people anyway.


The new search functionality is worse in windows 8. A user now has to select a category (apps, settings or files), before clicking search. And lets not forget that searching will hijack the full screen.




This and This. But honestly, I think this guy is trolling.

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  Reply # 751777 28-Jan-2013 10:00 Send private message

Anybody tried an RDP connection into Windows 8?
Just tried it for the first time. Its absolutely painful.

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  Reply # 751784 28-Jan-2013 10:06 Send private message

I have to rant.

Very few UI changes in Windows 8 are a step forward.

It's a complete usability disaster. Sit Joe average in front of Windows 8 when he has not used it before and he'll go mad trying to figure it out.
- Where is the start menu?
- How do you shutdown?
- How do you log off?

These 3 buttons/actions are probably the most used on any computer, yet they're hidden behind multiple steps in an illogical place.


Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?


I could go on all day, personally all my computers are being reverted to Windows 7. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards for usability on a desktop.

Windows 8 is Microsoft's touch OS, they just forgot about their current user base. I will not be giving any of my clients Windows 8, it'll be a support nightmare.

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  Reply # 751794 28-Jan-2013 10:08 Send private message

 
I am not sure what you mean. I can find programs, control panel items, accessories, documents, emails in W7 without any issue. I know plenty of people who use W7 that way, I teach everyone I interact with in a professional capacity to use it. Also the Start Menu in W8 isn't as simple to browse, you have to "scroll" and not up and down like a normal OS, but side to side so they could be "different"



 

Scrolling 'up and down' on a mouse still takes you left and right on the start menu, 

Universal search eg type 'dogs' after pressing start key, not only will it search your apps, files and settings, it will also allow you to click 'bing' or 'market' or any other 3rd party app and it will search in that app...the search is universal.  

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  Reply # 751797 28-Jan-2013 10:11 Send private message

ArcticSilver:
Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?


I could go on all day, personally all my computers are being reverted to Windows 7. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards for usability on a desktop.

Windows 8 is Microsoft's touch OS, they just forgot about their current user base. I will not be giving any of my clients Windows 8, it'll be a support nightmare.


I don't know why MS did not just drop the name "Windows"

Its clearly not windows any more. To me Windows is all about lots of windows, and multitasking. Maybe it should be called Window 1

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  Reply # 751800 28-Jan-2013 10:15 Send private message

ArcticSilver: I have to rant.


Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?
 

How does it work with multi-screens - can you run metro on your laptop and then run the trad desktop on an external monitor? That's how I tend to use Win7 - as I normally have about 6 things open at the same time! 

BTW I never ue the shutdown or logoff - buttons  -that's what  closing the laptop does! 




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  Reply # 751802 28-Jan-2013 10:17 Send private message

lissie:
ArcticSilver: I have to rant.


Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?
 

How does it work with multi-screens - can you run metro on your laptop and then run the trad desktop on an external monitor? That's how I tend to use Win7 - as I normally have about 6 things open at the same time! 

BTW I never ue the shutdown or logoff - buttons  -that's what  closing the laptop does! 


 

Yep metro runs on the primary screen and leaves the other monitors on the desktop mode.

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  Reply # 751803 28-Jan-2013 10:17 Send private message

Klipspringer: Anybody tried an RDP connection into Windows 8?
Just tried it for the first time. Its absolutely painful.


Yes RDP with Win8 REQUIRES a start menu replacement like Start8. It's hopeless. Windows 2012 is the same. It's pitiful.

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  Reply # 751811 28-Jan-2013 10:21 Send private message

ArcticSilver: I have to rant.

Very few UI changes in Windows 8 are a step forward.

It's a complete usability disaster. Sit Joe average in front of Windows 8 when he has not used it before and he'll go mad trying to figure it out.
- Where is the start menu?
- How do you shutdown?
- How do you log off?

These 3 buttons/actions are probably the most used on any computer, yet they're hidden behind multiple steps in an illogical place.


Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?


I could go on all day, personally all my computers are being reverted to Windows 7. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards for usability on a desktop.

Windows 8 is Microsoft's touch OS, they just forgot about their current user base. I will not be giving any of my clients Windows 8, it'll be a support nightmare.


I second that rant.  The frustrating thing is that we have no choice.  It's being forced down our throats with all new computers, with no easy way to 'upgrade' back to Windows 7




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  Reply # 751814 28-Jan-2013 10:25 Send private message

ArcticSilver: I have to rant.

Very few UI changes in Windows 8 are a step forward.

It's a complete usability disaster. Sit Joe average in front of Windows 8 when he has not used it before and he'll go mad trying to figure it out.
- Where is the start menu?
- How do you shutdown?
- How do you log off?

These 3 buttons/actions are probably the most used on any computer, yet they're hidden behind multiple steps in an illogical place.


Then we can get into the disconnect between the two user interfaces. There is great merit to having a uniform interface, consistency is key. In windows 8 there is no consistency.
For example - Open a video file in the desktop view and suddenly your in a metro video player. Suddenly you cannot move around the window, you cannot multi-task without completely detaching from the video. Don't even get me started on closing it. Where has the x in the corner gone?!? How do I close it?!? Where are the logical UI ques? Where has the consistency gone?


I could go on all day, personally all my computers are being reverted to Windows 7. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards for usability on a desktop.

Windows 8 is Microsoft's touch OS, they just forgot about their current user base. I will not be giving any of my clients Windows 8, it'll be a support nightmare.


Well they have made it pretty hard. Anyone who buys anything other than PRO version of windows can't downgrade and very few PC's are being shipped dual boot install, or with W7 only now. Pity the poor people who support consumers primarily. Also if you "upgrade" from Home Premium to Pro, you don't get your downgrade rights, which completely sucks!

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Reply # 751818 28-Jan-2013 10:30 Send private message

I don't really use the metro apps at all, but I use the new start menu heaps, and like it far more than the old one, but spend at least 80% of my time in desktop mode, so although I don't want to bring the old start menu back, being able to opt to boot into desktop mode rather than straight into metro could be good

Two simple solutions for that one:
(a) Create a task to run explorer.exe at logon (simple)
(b) Recreate the old 'Show desktop' shortcut and create a task to run that at logon (longer)
Also you can create desktop shortcuts for shutdown and logoff if wanted.

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