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  Reply # 751966 28-Jan-2013 13:17 Send private message

Just installed a fresh Windows Server 2012. Decided to do what some of you folks are saying. Hit Windows key and start typing. I wanted Windows Update.



Oh, no Windows Update results in the first listing. Why didn't they make the first results shown for ALL categories, filtering only when clicking on a specific category? Because some people will see that empty list and think there isn't a Windows Update in sight.

Anyway, I will dig deeper and click the category with 16 results and go deeper:



Oh, "Install Optional Updates" is there, "View Update History" is there and so on.

Of course just "Windows Update" is not there. It's nowhere. I know I'm picking now. But it's the small things. My parents-in-law can't find a button in the ribbon when I describe to them over then phone even when I have Logmein running and I can see the button and describe it. Let alone tell them to search for something that doesn't even show up in results.

Obviously running a server I know that "Install Optional Updates" will take me closer to where I want to be. But consumers? Better have those automatic Windows updates turned on folks.




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  Reply # 751976 28-Jan-2013 13:28 Send private message



Windows update is certainly available in Windows 8 pro, when searching for it...I agree that there should be an option to categorize searches or show all, but having the category for settings may make users 'heed more caution' when it comes to randomly clicking stuff, it also may help them know they're in the right place.

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  Reply # 751977 28-Jan-2013 13:30 Send private message

Holy crap, can't you resize your images to something people with normal monitors can see?

Come on folks, a bit of consideration with others.




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  Reply # 751980 28-Jan-2013 13:32 Send private message

freitasm: Holy crap, can't you resize your images to something people with normal monitors can see?

Come on folks, a bit of consideration with others.


 

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  Reply # 751994 28-Jan-2013 13:50 Send private message

I think Microsoft must have had enough of Mauricio's complaints so they put Windows Update in BOTH Apps and Settings searches Wink. I think they are also now calling Update an AppSet .

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  Reply # 752159 28-Jan-2013 18:17 Send private message

Klipspringer:
Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.


Now this is the bit of this debate that i really don't get. I have been using Win8 for about 3 months now.

I hardly use the metro interface at all. When I do its a quick flick over to find a program shortcut and click it. You easily can ignore the metro interface and not use metro apps at all. I only use it in desktop mode. Nor do i ever use the metro apps. I could easily never have to look at metro if I didn't want to. Its just win 7 with a new interface skin.

The drama isn't over the operating system its over the few people unable or unwilling to work it out. 5 years from now we will all have touch screen laptops, and the bricks we now use will be binned. by then metro will be a comfortable part of our world.

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  Reply # 752164 28-Jan-2013 18:23 Send private message

netspanner:
Klipspringer:
Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.


Now this is the bit of this debate that i really don't get. I have been using Win8 for about 3 months now. I hardly use the metro interface at all. When I do its a quick flick over to find a program shortcut and click it. You easily can ignore the metro interface and not use metro apps at all. I only use it in desktop mode. I could easily never have to look at metro if I didn't want to. Its just win 7 with a new interface skin.

The drama isn't over the operating system its over the few people unable or unwilling to work it out. 5 years from now we will all have touch screen laptops, and the bricks we now use will be binned. by then metro will be a comfortable part of our world.


Not sure if I agree. You can only do so much with touch screen devices, because they are mainly for consumption. You need a mouse and keyboard for most productivity tasks that you do in a desktop environment. You can't do photoshop or programming work all that easily on a touch screen, unless you have a far larger screen, or using a stylus, as using fingers are just too large and crude

It wouldn't be so bad if windows 8s destop environment hadn't had many of the things windows 7 had, removed from it, basiclly turning it into a windows xp like desktop without the start button.

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  Reply # 752169 28-Jan-2013 18:28 Send private message

mattwnz:
netspanner:
Klipspringer:
Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.


Now this is the bit of this debate that i really don't get. I have been using Win8 for about 3 months now. I hardly use the metro interface at all. When I do its a quick flick over to find a program shortcut and click it. You easily can ignore the metro interface and not use metro apps at all. I only use it in desktop mode. I could easily never have to look at metro if I didn't want to. Its just win 7 with a new interface skin.

The drama isn't over the operating system its over the few people unable or unwilling to work it out. 5 years from now we will all have touch screen laptops, and the bricks we now use will be binned. by then metro will be a comfortable part of our world.


Not sure if I agree. You can only do so much with touch screen devices, because they are mainly for consumption. You need a mouse and keyboard for most productivity tasks that you do in a desktop environment. You can't do photoshop or programming work all that easily on a touch screen, unless you have a far larger screen, or using a stylus, as using fingers are just too large and crude

It wouldn't be so bad if windows 8s destop environment hadn't had many of the things windows 7 had, removed from it, basiclly turning it into a windows xp like desktop without the start button.


Look. Everything you do on a win 7 machine you can do on a win 8 machine. Everything (to qualify that with "That I have needed to do"). I have it on my home laptop, and my work desktop (with dual monitors). I wouldn't want to do programming on a touchscreen, it would be weird for a start, but I do it every day on my machines with VS2012.  It. Is. Exactly. The. Same.

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  Reply # 752172 28-Jan-2013 18:34 Send private message

You can do everything. You just can't do everything with the precision of a mouse as explained.




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  Reply # 752179 28-Jan-2013 18:50 Send private message

I don't see a touch screen enhancing how I work in any way. It might enhance how I play, but I have a tablet for that. I have a bunch of clients with touchscreen notebooks who the first few weeks thought it was very cool, but now they almost never touch the screen. They have all complained it's slower and fingerprints are annoying etc. I am going to predict that touchscreens will be popular for a while (As they have been in the past) and people will eventually realize that they are great toys and move back to traditional input so they can WORK.

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  Reply # 752181 28-Jan-2013 18:52 Send private message

People have to realise that "cool" doesn't always translate into effective tools.




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  Reply # 752183 28-Jan-2013 18:54 Send private message

Another example of Microsoft's dichotomy: I am configuring the Window Server 2012 box, inserted a DVD image and the message that appears is "tap the action" instead of "click the action". They know it's not a touchscreen device - it's a virtual machine on Hyper-V... But they use "tap".

It feels like they wrote a tablet interface and shoved it in everything.





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  Reply # 752192 28-Jan-2013 19:13 Send private message

another thing I didnt like is my canon printer driver wouldnt work even with compatibily settings. I had to use the Windows 8 driver Microsoft supplied.  Although working well, it set 2 drivers in Printers. To use the scanner I had to go to printers and select the 2nd driver, right click and then selsct scan.  A lot more steps just to scan.  I dont see the point of buying yet another printer just to scan easier with Windows 8 when nothing wrong with my present printer. So I am staying with Windows 7 a while longer.
  Also my Hauppaugae Tuner actually works best with the Windows 7 64 bit driver.   It doesnt work as well with Windows 8 or even Windows 7 32 bit for some strange reason.




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  Reply # 752204 28-Jan-2013 19:27 Send private message

netspanner: 

Look. Everything you do on a win 7 machine you can do on a win 8 machine. Everything (to qualify that with "That I have needed to do"). I have it on my home laptop, and my work desktop (with dual monitors). I wouldn't want to do programming on a touchscreen, it would be weird for a start, but I do it every day on my machines with VS2012.  It. Is. Exactly. The. Same.


Actually I can't. Much of the software and hardware I have is not fully compatible. It won't even allow adobe CS3 to insatll. Even my microsoft laser 6000 mouse isn't fully compatible, although just works as a normal USB mouse. They maybe around 5 years old, but that is the reason why people use windows, because older software and hardware work on it.  Also XP mode isn't available for it. 

The problem is that it is like a school hall. It is possible to do a lot of things in it, but it is perfect for little. Where as windows 7 was perfect for desktop usage. So it is almost as though it is an OS designed by a committee. I don't think apple are particularly envious about it.

Dual screen usage of windows 8 is a pain, as you have to get the mouse into exactly the right place to bring up the charms, where the screens join.

Sure you can install third party software to make it more usable, or do hacks, but you shouldn't have to do that. I suspect windows 9 will fix a lot of these problems. At the moment, I would rank vista with the most recent service pack, as a better OS in terms of usability


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  Reply # 752233 28-Jan-2013 20:16 Send private message

mattwnz:
Dual screen usage of windows 8 is a pain, as you have to get the mouse into exactly the right place to bring up the charms, where the screens join.


Windows 8 is much easier to use with the keyboard shortcuts:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/keyboard-shortcuts
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/mouse-keyboard-whats-new




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