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  Reply # 589377 2-Mar-2012 13:28 Send private message

nathan:

The Metro design language, is part of the future Microsoft UI, unifiying the PC, Phone, Xbox etc


and for confusing and alienating existing users

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  Reply # 589378 2-Mar-2012 13:28 Send private message

im not sure what the hate is about personally for the start screen, if you live on the desktop with your hundreds of shortcuts and documents or conversly have nothing on the desktop then nothing will change.
you probably dont have the start menu open constantly now so why would you in win 8. if you need to find the odd app that you dont have pinned to the taskbar then you hit start on your keyboard or click the bottom left of the screen (like win 7) and find the app either by typing its name (like win 7) or go to its location on the start screen. if it something you use often move it to where you want it so it is quicker (improvement on win 7)

the thing i am looking forward to is that my start screen will not look like yours. my wife and i have a windows phone 7 each and she has put things that she finds important at the top and further down the main screen and it looks completely different to mine as i have different needs and interests. my future start screen will have what i want and use often front and centre and that will make using the computer more efficient for me compared to win 7 start menu.


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  Reply # 589380 2-Mar-2012 13:30 Send private message

nathan:
yes the registry key to disable is gone and not coming back

The Metro design language, is part of the future Microsoft UI, unifiying the PC, Phone, Xbox etc


Oh god no!!

I think the real problem is that people who are trying out the Consumer preview are obviously loading it on to a desktop environment, and in all honesty, it is just not built for a desktop environment at all.
If people had the chance to play around with it on a touch platform (e.g. one of the Samsung Slates) they would probably come to like it.

The fact that Microsoft seem to be alienating an absolutely HUGE portion of their market by locking out "Classic" Windows is appalling. When I say "locking out", I'm aware that you can still go back to the 'sort-of' classic Windows desktop by pressing 'Windows key + M', but it would be nice of Microsoft to realize that some people want the ability to actually use a Classic Windows interface, simply because it works for them better.

Simply put:
Metro + Touch devices = Pretty damn nice.
Metro + non-touch devices and workstation environments = Pants.

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  Reply # 589382 2-Mar-2012 13:33 Send private message

freitasm: You are not required to have a Live ID. Even so, what's the big deal? Tell me you don't have a Google, Twitter, LinkedIn, Bebo, MySpace or Facebook accounts?



I dont have Google, Twitter, Bebo, MySpave or Facebook accounts  (True)

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  Reply # 589390 2-Mar-2012 13:51 Send private message

There is a "Do not show Start Menu" policy apparently...

It looks like not supported in Windows 8 CP, although a note says it should be.

Also, Windows On Arm (WOA) Tablets won't be able to join domains.




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  Reply # 589392 2-Mar-2012 13:51 Send private message

jim.cox: I dont have Google, Twitter, Bebo, MySpave or Facebook accounts  (True)


Yawn. You're a real downer bro.


I'm keen for having a tablet docked at my desktop power house that I can pick up and take with me and all that seamless integration between the two and such.




this is a slap in the face!

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  Reply # 589397 2-Mar-2012 14:01 Send private message

nathan:
old3eyes:
networkn: Am I blind? I can't see the post in this thread that explains disabling metro?


I'm glad it wasn't just me..


yes the registry key to disable is gone and not coming back

The Metro design language, is part of the future Microsoft UI, unifiying the PC, Phone, Xbox etc


I see this as a huge mistake. MS is heading the Apple way, controlling what people want to do and not giving them choices.

Businesses don't want users having panels with facebook, contacts, blah blah, they want lower costs (no training) and improved productivity. I can't see a business use for Metro. Is MS leaving the business desktop space in a gradual way?

*I* want an easily supported platform where remote support works nicely. I wonder if you have tried sitting in a remote office supporting clients over vnc or other variant (Non domain) with Metro? I doubt it. Perhaps you guys should have a go before unilaterally deciding to wipe out the classic start menu. 

I can't really see the reason for Metro, I can find anything I want on my PC in seconds, by clicking start and typing the name of my app. 

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  Reply # 589400 2-Mar-2012 14:06 Send private message

shadybrothers:

Yawn. You're a real downer bro.



Nah mate, I'm a Luddite

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  Reply # 589454 2-Mar-2012 15:36 Send private message

BlueToothKiwi:
jim.cox:
So far I cant see any reason to want Win8 - and many to not - maybe some of you fanboys could explain where the advantages lie


You can disable the metro as per Nathan's post.  

Despite my earlier post above about the initial lack of intuitiveness of the User interface (see above), I am beginning to like it. I think before you discount the tabs of the Metro, give it a try. It will probably take an hour or two for you to get used to it.

If Metro is supposed to be the most compelling part of Windows 8, then why disable it?  If you still think it is crap after trying it for a 3 hours or so (as opposed to seeing other people's screen dumps) - then just roll back to what you are using now !  At least you could say you tried it and it was not for you (or get exited about it if you like it!)

With regards to the 'Advantages' -  I guess the main advantage is the user experience of touch interface (I am using it from a HP Tablet). Although my tablet shipped with Win7, it works like a treat with the new OS. If you are a tablet user, this new Windows 8 is a no brainer.

The other advantages  (faster boot's, better performance etc.) has not really worked for me - the boot time is about the same, and the performance is bit iffier - though I am still working on tweaking it (e.g. reinstall the display driver etc.)


Metro is simply a start menu that consumes your entire screen.

I can't see metro matching my workflow. 

In win 7, we have an tiny (comparatively) start menu and a large desktop.  This is perfect for my desktop work. Usually I fire up my applications in the morning then I don't really use the start menu for most of the day. 


Win 8 provides a huge 'start menu' which will be rarely used but at the expense of my desktop which I used often in Win7. 

One simple example, i have a laptop and commonly move files to my desktops 'desktop'. In win7, the file would appear immediately on my desktop and i click the document icon and it opens. It is so easy and intuitive. 

Under win8, I don't even know where to begin.   The desktop is gone. How do I do this? I could transfer it to some shared folder under the 'user' folders, but , it does not immediately appear so I can open it. I must search for it. 

Probably I am missing something here and there is a simple way but it is frustrating to learn a new OS when I have other more real issues to worry about. The ones that actually earn me money so I can live. 

Personally I wonder if microsoft have underestimated peoples resistance to change. 





 

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  Reply # 589456 2-Mar-2012 15:38 Send private message

 

Under win8, I don't even know where to begin.   The desktop is gone. How do I do this? I could transfer it to some shared folder under the 'user' folders, but , it does not immediately appear so I can open it. I must search for it. 

Probably I am missing something here and there is a simple way but it is frustrating to learn a new OS when I have other more real issues to worry about. The ones that actually earn me money so I can live. 

Personally I wonder if microsoft have underestimated peoples resistance to change. 

 


Bingo, you want changes that will make you money and save you time, Metro doesn't do this!
 

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  Reply # 589457 2-Mar-2012 15:40 Send private message

One of the things I have felt really passionate about in windows 7, is all the little things they have done to help me work faster. Search from Start Menu, Breadcrumb Navigation, Pinned apps and better preview, better multiple monitor support. Win8 doesn't feel like a business desktop solution. It feels like a consumer OS designed for touchscreen. I'd likely adopt it if I could switch to my preferred method (Classic Start Menu).

Cheers

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  Reply # 589478 2-Mar-2012 16:09 Send private message

nathan:

The Metro design language, is part of the future Microsoft UI, unifiying the PC, Phone, Xbox etc


I hope Microsoft enjoys bankruptcy....



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  Reply # 589484 2-Mar-2012 16:17 Send private message

Lias:
nathan:

The Metro design language, is part of the future Microsoft UI, unifiying the PC, Phone, Xbox etc


I hope Microsoft enjoys bankruptcy....




Overdramatic much? They survived Vista and ME, another BAD OS won't sink them.

Not like there is much decent competition (Please don't state Linux Desktop)

People will just not buy it, if they don't like it, or will use their downgrade rights. If enough people
don't buy it, then MS will make a direction change.  

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  Reply # 589496 2-Mar-2012 16:57 Send private message

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/windows-8-will-have-a-kill-switch/

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  Reply # 589497 2-Mar-2012 17:07 Send private message

StevieT: http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/windows-8-will-have-a-kill-switch/


hahaha yea seen this. Im wonder how this is going to go down. The best way to stop this happening to you then, is to not use your Hotmail account as your account, and make a local account. This will not let you download anything from there windows app store and as such you cant be touched.

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