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Topic # 112655 16-Dec-2012 16:59 Send private message

Usually I do because it is harder for them to find a decent gap in traffic due to poor acceleration

Anyway I saw this bus on the side of the road ahead of me and a guy who just hopped off. I backed off the gas expecting The bus to pull out but he didn't nor did he indicate. When I am closer, close enough that it makes more sense to go past than giveway he starts indicating then as I start to go past he moves into the road making me move slightly over the centre line.

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  Reply # 733190 16-Dec-2012 17:09 Send private message

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  Reply # 733193 16-Dec-2012 17:17 Send private message

There are requirements to slow for buses with particular markings as you pass them.

But no, buses do not have a free pass to drive dangerously.




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  Reply # 733216 16-Dec-2012 18:37 Send private message

As above, no there's no legal requirement to give way (unless it's a school bus I believe) but it is a bit of a crap move to block a bus carrying twenty people so one person can get to their destination few seconds faster. So, as a bus-patron, I thank you for giving way to buses pulling out.

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  Reply # 733218 16-Dec-2012 18:44 Send private message

Re op.

Glad you're not a cyclist.

Hint if you didn't get that it means they suddenly pull out regardless of who you are ... Coz otherwise they run late

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  Reply # 733251 16-Dec-2012 20:03 Send private message

Like you I always let them in within reason, but I had an experience a few years ago where I had to make an emergency stop when a bus suddenly pulled out in front of me without warning. I noted the fleet number and the time, but NZ Bus never bothered to respond to my complaint which is hardly surprising if my experience as a bus user is anything to go by. 



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  Reply # 733267 16-Dec-2012 20:41 Send private message

It was not a school bus and the only way I could of given way by the time the bus started indicating would of been to break hard and slow down to about 25 so I didn't do that. I assume for a school bus you do not either although as you have to slow down to 20 anyway it doesn't matter

On a side note I started cycling recently, not the whole spandex style but I now know both sides of the car vs cyclist battle. No doubt there are some arrogant people in both camps but although I try to keep left as much as possible you cannot keep left as much as you think. IMO some cyclist are asking to be run over.

I still think cycling lanes should be an addition to the footpath not an addition to the road.

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  Reply # 733275 16-Dec-2012 20:56 Send private message

Some bus drivers aren't the greatest drivers I have found not follow the road rules . It is just amazing there aren't more crashes than there already are. Although our panel beaters always have a stack of buses to do.

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  Reply # 733289 16-Dec-2012 21:51 Send private message

mattwnz: Some bus drivers aren't the greatest drivers I have found not follow the road rules . It is just amazing there aren't more crashes than there already are. Although our panel beaters always have a stack of buses to do.


As far as I can tell there is no requirement for buses to obey traffic signals in Wellington. The amount of buses that you see fly through reds or just pull out and fail to give way you would think it was that way.





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Reply # 733291 16-Dec-2012 21:53 Send private message

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mattwnz: Some bus drivers aren't the greatest drivers I have found not follow the road rules . It is just amazing there aren't more crashes than there already are. Although our panel beaters always have a stack of buses to do.


As far as I can tell there is no requirement for buses to obey traffic signals in Wellington. The amount of buses that you see fly through reds or just pull out and fail to give way you would think it was that way.


I remember a certain moderator commenting that if Wellington put in red light cameras, a certain major bus company would be bankrupt within a week.

Sadly its starting to happen in Auckland too.




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  Reply # 733293 16-Dec-2012 22:05 Send private message

Kyanar: As above, no there's no legal requirement to give way (unless it's a school bus I believe) but it is a bit of a crap move to block a bus carrying twenty people so one person can get to their destination few seconds faster. So, as a bus-patron, I thank you for giving way to buses pulling out.


+1.   I always try and let buses in within reason; Every person on a bus is one less in a car.

Granted there are bus drivers who aren't the greatest but there are far worse and more in cars - when I do get the bus it's usually down dominion or mt eden roads and people are complete numpties around rush hour: parking in bus lanes, aggressively accelerating past buses as the bus tries to pull out to go around said idiots parked in bus lanes, even when traffic in their lane is stationary 20 metres ahead,  pushing their noses into the bus lane in front of oncoming buses, undertaking buses at the lights and then blocking the bus lane as they try and feed back out of the bus lane...

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  Reply # 733301 16-Dec-2012 22:25 Send private message

 
I still think cycling lanes should be an addition to the footpath not an addition to the road.


problem with this is side roads, driveways, dips from drive ways, powerpoles, light poles, bus stops.  Plus the speed that you can get up to on a bike, I am not the spandex wearing commuter, but I can still hit 60km on the down hill

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  Reply # 733303 16-Dec-2012 22:34 Send private message

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I still think cycling lanes should be an addition to the footpath not an addition to the road.


problem with this is side roads, driveways, dips from drive ways, powerpoles, light poles, bus stops.  Plus the speed that you can get up to on a bike, I am not the spandex wearing commuter, but I can still hit 60km on the down hill


There is not enough visability on the FP due to angles and speeds, epespically with people coming out of driveways. Also it is a hazzard for people on the footpath. I think the road is the best place for cyclicts, but in dedicated cycyle lanes. Not these parking/cycle lane hybrid things that we currently have which are dangerous too.

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  Reply # 733310 16-Dec-2012 23:03 Send private message

Had this happen to me on the motorway last night, bus cut me off as I was passing him (was doing 100, he was going slower), luckily there were no cars in the next lane so I simply jumped across another lane. Of course i hooted on my way past. The driver sped his bus up and tailed me for a bit and flashed me after I pulled away. Made me want to break check him but would loose that fight.

Bus drivers are certainly getting worse every year

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  Reply # 733322 16-Dec-2012 23:38 Send private message

I usually do, if only for the simple reason that they are much bigger than my car and I will come off second best if we prang.

@Shock is right about the Wellington busses. It was OK a few years ago, but now it's atrocious. I think in the last 3-4 weeks I have:
- seen the red light on the bottom of Molesworth Street run by busses on at least two occasions, and I don't mean when the light had just changed!
- twice seen pedestrians scarper for their lives (on the same pedestrian crossing outside Rutherford House - when it was clear that a bus wasn't stopping for anyone)
- been unable to cross a street with the "green man" because a bus pulled right across the crossing before stopping for the red light (while pedestrians who had started to cross jumped back again).

I'm starting to wonder whether the drivers are having an informal competition to run people down?

On the subject of cycling, I don't cycle but always try and give them room when I drive past them. I am, however, getting irritated by the cyclists to go out in groups of 5-10 on the weekend around here, and ride three-abreast at a *very* leisurely pace chatting to each other on a main road, while the traffic banks up behind them. If they want drivers to show courtesy then they might want to reciprocate - keep left and single file please.

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  Reply # 733335 17-Dec-2012 06:58 Send private message

mattwnz:
blackjack17:
 
I still think cycling lanes should be an addition to the footpath not an addition to the road.


problem with this is side roads, driveways, dips from drive ways, powerpoles, light poles, bus stops.  Plus the speed that you can get up to on a bike, I am not the spandex wearing commuter, but I can still hit 60km on the down hill


There is not enough visability on the FP due to angles and speeds, epespically with people coming out of driveways. Also it is a hazzard for people on the footpath. I think the road is the best place for cyclicts, but in dedicated cycyle lanes. Not these parking/cycle lane hybrid things that we currently have which are dangerous too.


We actually have one of those dedicated cycle lanes you mention out here on Triangle Road in Massey.  It used to be that drivers used the cycle lane as an extra lane onto the motorway, so the council put paid to that by installing bollards separating it from the road lanes so now cyclists have a dedicated lane split off from general traffic.

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