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  Reply # 749041 22-Jan-2013 18:47 Send private message

kiwitrc:
mattwnz:
kiwitrc: 
Dont think it makes any difference though, I check the lawn every morning and not a kiwi to be seen.


I would presume his wife isn't a cat lover either, or he has never owned a burmese cat. Many woman are great cat lovers, so I would think that that 75% of people in NZ in total would be against his idea.


I think 75.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.


Correct, you can read the full study at the Disreali Institute for Applied Mathematics.




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  Reply # 749049 22-Jan-2013 19:00 Send private message

mattwnz:
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Like when you buy a round trip Air New Zealand ticket to Europe and get an offer to add Carbon Credits to the ticket. Not sure anyone has ever added that...



Perhaps he will call it cat credits.Or perhaps taxes for having cats, or a cat registration /license fee, like for dogs, where the  money is supposed to go towards DOC bird programs, but ends up going into a government consolidated fund, 


Never heard of this (dog's fees going to DOC Bird Programs). I pay my WCC dog registration and that's what they say:


Registration fees are used to maintain a safe and healthy environment for residents, dog owners and their pets. The Council does not profit from dog fees.Fees pay for:
  • dog control and law enforcement
  • campaigns and education in schools, community groups and businesses
  • canine promotional materials
  • administering the dog shelter.



Bur read my (joke) post again. It's not a "fee" but a "credit", like the carbon credits. Surreal.





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  Reply # 749064 22-Jan-2013 19:13 Send private message

gzt: Well, I kind of like cats but I think Morgan is raising some legitimate concerns about the prevalence of cats in New Zealand. I don't really like this sensationalist attention getting media approach. With the position and resources he has available I'm not sure he is going about it the right way..


There was another woman last year who was pretty much promoting exactly what Morgan was promoting last year. It did make the papers. I think it was a Wellington story, and was about houses around the wildlife sanctuary. I wouldn't mind if they had bylaws for restricting cats out after dark in those areas. But sometimes cats do get out by accident, so I would hope some leeway and commonsense on these laws is applied.  Often when such laws come in, they are very strict and policed to the letter of the law. But dogs too can kill birds, infact when I was a child, we had a stray dog that got onto our property and killed our rabbits, and our neighbours chickens. Cats never did that,and I challenge him when he said they kill for fun. It is instinct, not fun, and many animals have that instinct.
 But domestic cats within suburbs well away from conservation zones, are not a problem. Wild and stray cats though are another problem. I think Morgan is trying to target that area, where he thinks many people let their cats out and they become feral and stray, and he is trying to stop them at the source. But that is tarring all pet owners with the same brush, and is a typical politicians solution to a problem. Ban something, and it will solve all the problems. Worked well with banning spray cans...not. Now vandals use other things which are more difficult to remove than spray paint, like shoes polish.

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  Reply # 749065 22-Jan-2013 19:17 Send private message

mattwnz: I have never seen a cat attack a big bird like a tui or wood pigeon, and they also tend to stay in the trees. It is mainly sparrows they they seem to get, which are essentially rats with wings.


A Tui is a big bird? Yeah right.




                                           

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  Reply # 749066 22-Jan-2013 19:18 Send private message

We are a long way from a bylaw of any kind. Morgan would be better off focusing on the big picture. At the moment he is achieving little more than just annoying people, but I guess time will tell.

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  Reply # 749079 22-Jan-2013 19:29 Send private message

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mattwnz: I have never seen a cat attack a big bird like a tui or wood pigeon, and they also tend to stay in the trees. It is mainly sparrows they they seem to get, which are essentially rats with wings.


A Tui is a big bird? Yeah right.


Yes, relatively they are big when you get close up to them. At least 30cm in height. Certainly a lot bigger than your sparrow or many other introduced birds around than cats can catch. I think cats are more of a threat to their chicks than to adult birds. I have seen a cat try to catch a tui up a tree, but tuis are far to quick and crafty for them.

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  Reply # 749088 22-Jan-2013 19:43 Send private message

mattwnz:
clevedon:
mattwnz: I have never seen a cat attack a big bird like a tui or wood pigeon, and they also tend to stay in the trees. It is mainly sparrows they they seem to get, which are essentially rats with wings.


A Tui is a big bird? Yeah right.


Yes, relatively they are big when you get close up to them. At least 30cm in height. Certainly a lot bigger than your sparrow or many other introduced birds around than cats can catch. I think cats are more of a threat to their chicks than to adult birds. I have seen a cat try to catch a tui up a tree, but tuis are far to quick and crafty for them.


Anything is relatively big the closer you get to it. A Tui is a third of the size of a Kereru - and I can see both out different windows at home right now, here in the Hunua Ranges.

Cats, vermin and other pests aren't welcome around here.




                                           

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  Reply # 749110 22-Jan-2013 20:15 Send private message

Unruly cats are often like unruly children. If you follow them home you'll find the problem is their inept owners/parents.

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gzt: We are a long way from a bylaw of any kind. Morgan would be better off focusing on the big picture. At the moment he is achieving little more than just annoying people, but I guess time will tell.

But if his project saves just one native bird, it will have been worth it...... ;-)


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  Reply # 749183 22-Jan-2013 22:18 Send private message

LittleGold: Unruly cats are often like unruly children. If you follow them home you'll find the problem is their inept owners/parents.


But you can't train a cat




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  Reply # 749186 22-Jan-2013 22:20 Send private message

mattwnz: I have never seen a cat attack a big bird like a tui or wood pigeon, and they also tend to stay in the trees. It is mainly sparrows they they seem to get, which are essentially rats with wings.


Our cat over the course of a year has caught 3 seagulls, and they are pretty quick birds. 




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  Reply # 749211 22-Jan-2013 23:21 Send private message

semigeek:
LittleGold: Unruly cats are often like unruly children. If you follow them home you'll find the problem is their inept owners/parents.


But you can't train a cat


Many people can't train their children. If they could I wouldn't have to do it for them

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  Reply # 749212 22-Jan-2013 23:23 Send private message


I'm sure many of you will have seen the discussions or articles today about Gareth Morgan's new campaign to rid New Zealand of domestic cats in order to protect our native bird species.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10860653
I have a lot of respect for Gareth Morgan generally, but I think he is way out of touch on this one.
What are your thoughts?



So 75 posts later I still can can not Quote the OP!!!!
Never mind.. no other way.. Gareth Morgan Him Self Needs To Be Euthanized......!!! Full Stop. Who the fek does he think he is to say I should not be aloud to be a Responsible cat carer....!!

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  Reply # 749214 22-Jan-2013 23:27 Send private message

Interesting ehh, he don't even have a Contact Me page,.... something to hide?...

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  Reply # 749218 22-Jan-2013 23:35 Send private message

Reasonable idea.

I'll support this, when everyone agrees to the following points:

1) We all stop reproducing, after all the more humans there are the more land needs to be bulldozed and the less habitat native birds have.

2) We kill all non-native birds to give the native NZ birds a fighting chance.


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