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Topic # 114304 15-Feb-2013 09:44 Send private message

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If someone were to imply that the police pay more attention to drunk drivers than something like slamming as a means of revenue gathering, then I would have to imply that said person was a ******** deluded.



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It's really not a police issue ....


Agree - it's a commercial matter.  In Australia, as I documented in my earlier post above, this was addressed in the past by Telstra suing the slammers for "passing off".  Another earlier post from a NZ Telecom employee suggests Telecom are still prepared to do the same (in Oz, Telstra appears to have departed the field, for whatever reason). 


Telecom was split in two and in theory now services the community with a better result.

When I was a kid, Traffic and Police where two.

As an adult they're combined and rightly or wrongly I know I feel the perception that they don't really focus on small crime at all and getting any traction with harassment and petty stealing (such as this telco issue) is just impossible.

Personally I just resent the willingness to give me a $60 ticket for doing 55km down a road while not being able to get attention to folk who are parking across my drive way preventing me leaving my home.

Don't get me wrong here...  I'm all for dishing up a fine for doing 1 km over the speed limit if it slows drivers down as they pass schools and buses because we know that just translates into saving lives.

Just the other day we, as a family, were chatting about how the road toll has dropped 50% at the same time as the population growing by 100%, which you have to agree is an outstanding effort.

But I'd like to see Police who's roll it is not to deal with traffic, and Traffic staff who can remove cars, give out tickets and not be dragged away to dealing with 'more urgent' things.

It seems to me that Police are less effective because they're a jack of way to may trades and masters of to little.

Perhaps this is unfair...  but hey, that's what a discussion forum is for, let's talk!






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  Reply # 762835 15-Feb-2013 09:57 Send private message

Just to clarify..

Someone parking across your drive is what is considered a civil matter. Tow costs and disputes are handled by the local council authority. As it is a council parking offence (IE Police don't like to get involved unless there is life at risk or endangermant to public)

And although they have the same badge and looking car there are dedicated teams for both with some crossover within the force still. There is:
Strategic traffic Unit
CVIU
Highway/Motorway Patrol
And in some places specialist intersection groups that play a larger part in targeting your speeders and seatbelt/safety infringers.

Whereas frontline are left to do that, frontline jobs but have the basic dos and don'ts knowlege of basic traffic matters should the need arise.



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  Reply # 762866 15-Feb-2013 10:33 Send private message

My experience in Christchurch is that Police are actually tasked with parking issues after hours.

We got to a point where we simply rang 111 each time to get any action at all.

It was stupid.

Eventually we managed to empower the 111 management to push back to the CCC that they had to actually do their job and respond to community needs rather than just hand balling it to the police to deal with, who simply weren't resourced.

I found that we simply had to 'tip the stat' to get traction.

I'd fully agree with anyone who suggests that calling 111 to get a car moved is just silly and not ok.

But calling 111 the supervisor told me that they actually do resource the call centre to have capacity to deal with this sort of nonsense when the public simply can't get traction where they should be able to.

I do know how the systems are 'meant' to work, but in the case of parking in our area, they just weren't working at all.





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  Reply # 762869 15-Feb-2013 10:38

Oblivian: Just to clarify..

Someone parking across your drive is what is considered a civil matter. Tow costs and disputes are handled by the local council authority. As it is a council parking offence (IE Police don't like to get involved unless there is life at risk or endangermant to public)



"Obstructing vehicle entrances and exits" is a Land Transport (Road User) Rule not a Council By-law.





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  Reply # 762872 15-Feb-2013 10:44 Send private message

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Oblivian: Just to clarify..

Someone parking across your drive is what is considered a civil matter. Tow costs and disputes are handled by the local council authority. As it is a council parking offence (IE Police don't like to get involved unless there is life at risk or endangermant to public)



"Obstructing vehicle entrances and exits" is a Land Transport (Road User) Rule not a Council By-law.




Not to mention parking on yellow lines and parking under 'no stopping' signs.

You would believe, but just sake your head at the stupidness in the whole space.

Did you know that you can't police a yellow line if it's not clean? 

Did you know you can't police a no marking sign on a lane way if there is no sign directly visible from the vehicle even though there are signs at both ends of the lane way.

Did you know that they want to 'perform education' first, and not hand out tickets for fear of just filling up the courts with fines.  Yip, that's right, in high income areas you pay, in low income areas you get 'education' (which everyone ignores until you give out fines).

...and as you say Bung, no one quite seems to know the rules.






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  Reply # 762883 15-Feb-2013 10:56

I know about stupidity, we have several 30km/h zones in our suburb that apparently don't get policed because the length of roadway with the restriction isn't long enough for the Police to do their thing.

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  Reply # 762886 15-Feb-2013 11:01 Send private message

Just the other day we, as a family, were chatting about how the road toll has dropped 50% at the same time as the population growing by 100%, which you have to agree is an outstanding effort.


Depends, in the same time can you report how many people/families are dealing with someone with a serious head injury that causes terrible living conditions?

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  Reply # 762892 15-Feb-2013 11:07 Send private message

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Oblivian: Just to clarify..

Someone parking across your drive is what is considered a civil matter. Tow costs and disputes are handled by the local council authority. As it is a council parking offence (IE Police don't like to get involved unless there is life at risk or endangermant to public)



"Obstructing vehicle entrances and exits" is a Land Transport (Road User) Rule not a Council By-law.




Correct!  I have had a warning from a police patrol for parking across a driveway before  (I was living at the house at the time!)

Edit:  Im sure that is way off topic, but reading the OP post I'm not entirely sure what this discussion is about...  

Is it about telecom or the police?  

Its Friday - Im very confused!  :)



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  Reply # 762935 15-Feb-2013 11:42 Send private message

Bee:  Edit:  Im sure that is way off topic, but reading the OP post I'm not entirely sure what this discussion is about...  

Is it about telecom or the police?  

Its Friday - Im very confused!  :)


The topic, in short, is that the Police are jack of all trade, master of none and don't deal with small issues at all, hence society disregards law and order and issues become big ones, other than road policing that seems to fine the most minor of offences if it involves chasing someone down and giving out a ticket based on a number shows on a radar gun.

The relationship to Telecom is that Telecom is an example of a government organisation that was radically changed for the public good.

But yes, it's Friday and this is just a bit of a rant thread, in the off topic area and I think folk should be allowed to venture their thoughts that come to mind based on what they're reading.  Ie, it's all good! :)

Happy Friday.






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  Reply # 762938 15-Feb-2013 11:46 Send private message

Oh, the other issue, leading on from the thread I linked, is that there is no one policing issues like telco slamming.

It is illegal, but try and get any traction on it.

Hence my point about parking. That's also illegal, but try getting traction.

The other week we saw a guy on the news who have video footage of someone breaking into his home but also, he couldn't get traction.

We saw a guy mow down wildlife, but what traction was got there?

Personally I love the fact we're locking up people who smoke pot. No, I don't think smoking a bit of weed should be illegal, but while it is I think we lock them up and throw away the key until we can force social reform.

Same needs to happen with these other little laws. Either we enforce them or abandon them. At least then we know where we stand with some integrity.





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  Reply # 762950 15-Feb-2013 11:56 Send private message

The way Police prioritise things is very confusing sometimes yes...

We have reported domestic incidents in our neighbourhood a few times and sometimes they show up and sometimes they don't... the severity of the incident seems irrelevant...

My pet peeve however would have to be the way they discriminate against certain vehicles -

I drove my Supra around for a week without a WOF - got pulled over and given a ticket.
A few years later driving the family van around with no WOF for a few months - saw plenty of police cars, never got stopped by one.

I also got pulled over by an unmarked car once in the Supra when I had done nothing wrong - they kept me for about 15 minutes checked my license and rego etc and let me go...

At all times I was over 25 and not a boy racer but got sick of being treated that way just cos I had a nice car... which is the main reason I now have a very boring van for driving the family round in...


Definitely seems to be an attitude of targeting things that they think they can get the most revenue from...

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  Reply # 762957 15-Feb-2013 12:16 Send private message

Bee: 


Definitely seems to be an attitude of targeting things that they think they can get the most revenue from...


Another way to look at it: targeting things that they think are most likely to be infringing laws.



Not that it helps you, but in the bigger picture it makes a bit of sense

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  Reply # 762958 15-Feb-2013 12:21 Send private message

DonGould: My experience in Christchurch is that Police are actually tasked with parking issues after hours.

We got to a point where we simply rang 111 each time to get any action at all.

It was stupid.



I agree, calling 111 for anything less than a complete emergency IS stupid, you should be heavily fined for being so selfish and abusing the system.

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  Reply # 762959 15-Feb-2013 12:22 Send private message

I am not happy getting a ticket for <10% over the speed limit, especially when we couldn't get someone to our house for a burglary, or at my office for the same, and for an assault I witnessed.

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  Reply # 762965 15-Feb-2013 12:25 Send private message

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DonGould: My experience in Christchurch is that Police are actually tasked with parking issues after hours.

We got to a point where we simply rang 111 each time to get any action at all.

It was stupid.



I agree, calling 111 for anything less than a complete emergency IS stupid, you should be heavily fined for being so selfish and abusing the system.



Did you read the rest of the post?  - The system is actually set up to deal with this "sillyness"  


"But calling 111 the supervisor told me that they actually do resource the call centre to have capacity to deal with this sort of nonsense when the public simply can't get traction where they should be able to."



Because in reality its the only way that things actually get done!

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  Reply # 762968 15-Feb-2013 12:29 Send private message

Bee:
networkn:
DonGould: My experience in Christchurch is that Police are actually tasked with parking issues after hours.

We got to a point where we simply rang 111 each time to get any action at all.

It was stupid.



I agree, calling 111 for anything less than a complete emergency IS stupid, you should be heavily fined for being so selfish and abusing the system.



Did you read the rest of the post?  - The system is actually set up to deal with this "sillyness"  


"But calling 111 the supervisor told me that they actually do resource the call centre to have capacity to deal with this sort of nonsense when the public simply can't get traction where they should be able to."



Because in reality its the only way that things actually get done!


Yes I did, doesn't make any difference to me, if people didn't call for non emergencies they wouldn't spend resources dealing with them through the emergency channels. The fact they even had to setup a way to manage non emergency calls because it was being abused is just so wrong.

Towing companies will deal with blocked driveways. 

It's nonsense that there are no other ways, you just need to learn how to escalate properly. 

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