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Topic # 136733 7-Dec-2013 05:37 One person supports this post Send private message

This is remarkable news, Norway, always been known for having one of the lowest national speed limits in Europe at 100km/h, has decided to increase the speed limits to 110km/h on a number of motorways where the speed is safe to travel on.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fvestfold%2Fprover-ut-110-km_t-i-vestfold-1.11401804

Additionally there is talk of a gradual increase of the speed limit to 130km/h on newly built roads which are built to the latest, highest safety standards.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tv2.no%2Fnyheter%2Fpolitisk%2Fregjeringen-vil-ha-opptil-130-kmt-paa-nye-motorveier-4133600.html&sandbox=1

I know that there have been some voices in NZ that are pushing to up the limit to 110km/h on certain stretches of the motorways north of Auckland as well as part of the stretch towards Hamilton. Norway and NZ being very similar countries would this mean that the acceptance of raising the speed limit on safe stretches of road would increase?

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  Reply # 946886 7-Dec-2013 06:48 9 people support this post Send private message

A bad idea for NZ given our poor road maintainence, ageing automobile fleet, bad driver training and immature driver attitudes.

If the limit was increased to say 130kmh drivers will have tantrums because they feel they should be allowed to drive at 140kmh.

I believe that in a lot of situations the speed limits should be reduced, eg in cities to 30kmh and on many open roads 80kmh eg Rimutaka Hill road north of Wellington.




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  Reply # 946915 7-Dec-2013 08:11 5 people support this post Send private message

In my experience 15 minutes of driving on NZ roads and you'll run into more idiots than what you'll see in a whole day driving around Norway.

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  Reply # 946926 7-Dec-2013 08:40 2 people support this post Send private message

NZ needs to have a wider range of speed zones - depending on the stretch of road.

Personally, I think there is scope to increase the speed limit on a select number of roads, but that's only a very select number or roads nationally, i.e the motorways and possibly expressways, and even some of them could require upgrading. Our 'highways' are mostly country roads. There are people who believe that its driver ehaviour that causes crashes, not our roads, but all humans are fallible so we need safe roads that protect us from our mistakes.

An important reason given by supporters for faster speeds is the reduction in driver fatigue (and higher productivity).

But it will be a long time before that happens, as our fleet age is so bloody old and therefore less safe.

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  Reply # 946936 7-Dec-2013 08:45 5 people support this post Send private message

First we need to train people how to be better drivers.

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  Reply # 946939 7-Dec-2013 08:49 Send private message

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that back in the 1970s(?) NZ's national speed limit was raised from 80 km/hr to 100; without any improvements to the roading network.



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  Reply # 946952 7-Dec-2013 09:54 One person supports this post Send private message

k1wi: NZ needs to have a wider range of speed zones - depending on the stretch of road.


I would definitely say that is probably the key. During my travels across the country I was quite amazed to see that the 100km/h limit applies nearly everywhere, even on windy narrow roads. It would definitely improve driving standards to bring down limits to 80km/h or in some cases even 60km/h (when it gets really windy).

The AA also supports this:
The AA would like to see more standard speed limits between the urban limit of 50km/h, and the open road limit of 100km/h. Speed limits should be set at realistic levels more in tune with the nature of the road, and consistently applied.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/safety-on-the-roads/safer-speeds/speed-limits/

Then again certain sections of motorway (notably around AKL, CHC) are most certainly safe enough to support 110km/h possibly 120km/h (to Hamilton)
I wouldn't go as far as pushing the European 130km/h standard to NZ as the roads are simply not suitable, either too busy, not enough lanes or too windy.

Introducing a 110km/h limit on NZ motorways should definitely not coincide with increasing the OSL to 110km/h, that would be stupid and dangerous.. therefore the possible increase of the limit needs thorough changes of the law

Also - again with AA backing -
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8481567/AA-backs-110kmh-in-speed-limit-review

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  Reply # 946954 7-Dec-2013 10:19 One person supports this post Send private message

Most of SH1 in the north island in particular is not even suitable for 100KMH safely especially between the Palmerston North interchange to Taupo.




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  Reply # 946956 7-Dec-2013 10:28 One person supports this post Send private message

KiwiNZ: Most of SH1 in the north island in particular is not even suitable for 100KMH safely especially between the Palmerston North interchange to Taupo.


Yea I would fully agree with that, most of those sections should be restricted to 80km/h or upgraded to dual carriageway in order to safely support 100km/h.
In general I think most of SH1 could be upgraded to 2x2 but that's an economic question more so

For these types of rural express-ways I believe NZ could look at the Nordic countries and mimic their 2+1 road systems that are safe to support up to 110km/h (90km/h on the single lane sections)


The way this road works is that 2 lanes in one direction alternate every 3-5km, allowing cars to pass slower vehicles when lanes double and then bringing traffic back to safe speeds on the single lane sections. Safety on these types of roads is very high due to the median divider and reduction of frustration of drivers that are keen to overtake but not safely able to do so.



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  Reply # 946958 7-Dec-2013 10:31 One person supports this post Send private message

overseas visitors I take around NZ are astounded and frightened by the way we have opposing traffic at closing speeds in excess of 200kmh separated by only a row of painted dashes and a few meters.




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  Reply # 946969 7-Dec-2013 10:47 One person supports this post Send private message

KiwiNZ: overseas visitors I take around NZ are astounded and frightened by the way we have opposing traffic at closing speeds in excess of 200kmh separated by only a row of painted dashes and a few meters.


This is not uncommon in Europe either. Most UK single file roads are 60mph (96km/h), and German and French roads have limits of 100km/h.. same style as in NZ.
In the Netherlands 100km/h single file roads are separated by a green line in the middle.. not very safe either


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  Reply # 946975 7-Dec-2013 10:58 Send private message

A bit off topic, but why oh why has our govt done almost nothing to improve that goat track they call the desert road?

I've seen heaps of improvements made to SH1 south of Waiouru over the last 20+ years, but almost nothing north.

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  Reply # 947007 7-Dec-2013 11:45 Send private message

They've done incremental improvements such as adding passing lanes and slow vehicle lanes.

The cost-benefit would probably be pretty poor on major upgrades, with costly improvents for small gains (relative to other projects on busier roads). Most of the really tricky parts lie within the national park IIRC.

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  Reply # 947027 7-Dec-2013 12:02 One person supports this post Send private message

SH1 needs to be two lanes each way with a divider in between the entire length of it.



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  Reply # 947033 7-Dec-2013 12:24 3 people support this post Send private message

Dual speed limits for passing lanes would be great. E.G. 90km left lane, 110km passing lane with strict enforcement for either exceeding 90km or impeding 110km.




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  Reply # 947066 7-Dec-2013 13:43 Send private message

There is not a lot of motorway in Norway with 100 Km/h speed limits. And the one I know of have a high standard and good separation of meeting lanes.

I have been surprised that there is so much 100 Km/h stretches here in NZ, most of them would be 60 or 70 Km/h stretches in Norway.

sbiddle: In my experience 15 minutes of driving on NZ roads and you'll run into more idiots than what you'll see in a whole day driving around Norway.


You obviously must have been avoiding the big cities in Norway. People have lost the ability to use indicators and drive like they are alone on the road. Letting people pass? Forget about it! Staying out of the passing lane? Why would one do that?

Its not all giggles here in NZ either, but people seem to be better drivers here than in Norway in my experience.

But what is this thing about increasing your speed when you get to a passing lane here in NZ? People will be cruising at 90 Km/h on the single lane and when they get to a passing lane stretch they are suddenly increasing their speed well over 100 Km/h.




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