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Topic # 138670 13-Jan-2014 09:03 3 people support this post Send private message

Well duuuh anyone who drives will tell you cyclists disregard the rules the most!

I love how the media loves milking a story, first run the story a with the big sob story about how so-and-so was a great person and didn't deserve to get run over while on their bike, then run a story about how more safety measures are needed to keep cyclists safe, then run a story showing how actually cyclists are the worst for running red lights and flouting traffic laws.

Also very interesting on the wording, for the poor bugger who got run over last week they never say he "ran a red light", they always say "the truck driver had the green".

I ride a motorcycle every day (wind, rain and (preferably) shine), so generally I'll filter my way to the front of the queue at lights and intersections, pretty much anytime a cyclist does the same that cyclist will just keep on going through the red, or across the zebra crossing .. annoys the f... out of me :-(  Cause it's people like that who hike up my ACC!

I do ride with a camera on my bike, might start youtubing some of them.







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Ultimate Geek
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  Reply # 965862 13-Jan-2014 09:12 5 people support this post Send private message

Cyclists change from being "motorists" to "Pedestrians" whenever it suits them. We've all known this for years but finally have some "facts" to base this on! Someone should tell the NZ Police that there is a "new" revenue stream for them!

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  Reply # 965863 13-Jan-2014 09:14 Send private message

In the Wellington area what is see going through red lights are

Buses
Cyclists
Pedestrians

and of course cars






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 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 965865 13-Jan-2014 09:18 Send private message

Same in Auckland

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  Reply # 965868 13-Jan-2014 09:23 Send private message

Anyone who drives or walks around Auckland will see time and time again cyclists running red lights and going down one way streets the wrong way..




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  Reply # 965888 13-Jan-2014 09:33 One person supports this post Send private message

Just had to post this gem of a statement from the Herald article :

"Overall, cyclists' red-light running is a relatively infrequent and safe behaviour," corridor and centre plans team leader Daniel Newcombe said in the presentation.

Oh OK then, no problem .... what an asshat!  :-(




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  Reply # 965889 13-Jan-2014 09:34 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
In the Wellington area what is see going through red lights are

Buses
Cyclists
Pedestrians

and of course cars


You forgot motorbikes, scooters, vans, trucks, oldies on mobility scooters, skateboarders, rollerskaters, Segway riders, horse riders, ... ;-)

At some intersections buses do have their own separate green light, so although it looks like their driving through a red, they may not be.

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  Reply # 965895 13-Jan-2014 09:39 Send private message

Buzz Bumble:
KiwiNZ:
In the Wellington area what is see going through red lights are

Buses
Cyclists
Pedestrians

and of course cars


You forgot motorbikes, scooters, vans, trucks, oldies on mobility scooters, skateboarders, rollerskaters, Segway riders, horse riders, ... ;-)

At some intersections buses do have their own separate green light, so although it looks like their driving through a red, they may not be.


I put the most frequent 

where I have seen buses they do not have a dedicated turning signal, in the Hutt Valley the bus drivers think the Road Code does not apply to them




KiwiNZ

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

gzt

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  Reply # 965904 13-Jan-2014 09:48 Send private message

Mark: Cause it's people like that who hike up my ACC!

In general you are correct about any risk taking behavior impacting ACC levies through increased accidents.

But in particular motorcycles have a far higher death and injury rate than cyclists.

If you wanted to improve your ACC fees, then it is logical to put the bulk of your effort into motorcycle safety.

I have been both a cyclist and motorcyclist. I have never seen any advertising campaign for motorcycle safety like the many we have seen for cyclists and car drivers. Surely there is a list of simple things arising from crash analysis to improve motorcycle safety which should be better known.

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  Reply # 965921 13-Jan-2014 09:54 Send private message

Bee: Cyclists change from being "motorists" to "Pedestrians" whenever it suits them. We've all known this for years but finally have some "facts" to base this on! Someone should tell the NZ Police that there is a "new" revenue stream for them!


They are neither, they are road users, and everyone that uses the road has the same rules to obey

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  Reply # 965933 13-Jan-2014 10:02 Send private message

gzt:
I have been both a cyclist and motorcyclist. I have never seen any advertising campaign for motorcycle safety like the many we have seen for cyclists and car drivers. Surely there is a list of simple things arising from crash analysis to improve motorcycle safety which should be better known.


that's a good point, so what does that education portion of my motorcycle registration go to?

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  Reply # 965935 13-Jan-2014 10:12 3 people support this post Send private message

Mark: Just had to post this gem of a statement from the Herald article :

"Overall, cyclists' red-light running is a relatively infrequent and safe behaviour," corridor and centre plans team leader Daniel Newcombe said in the presentation.

Oh OK then, no problem .... what an asshat!  :-(

Without arguing that cyclists should obey the same road rules, which we all agree they should; when a cyclist runs a red light the only danger is to themselves, and a lesser extent to pedestrians, and normally at low speeds.  In that respect it is relatively 'safe' compared to a car speeding through a red light. 

I would guess most of the cyclist red light running is an NZ (left hand drive) variation of the Right turn on red, again not legal in NZ, but could be argued to be relatively 'safe' for cyclists in the same way car drivers argue that driving 10km over speed limit is 'safe'.


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  Reply # 965937 13-Jan-2014 10:14 Send private message

I'm interested in watching the way people go tribal and its now "all cyclists" get real people and save stretching the truth to make your point.

Personally there is no reason top go through red lights regardless of who you are and cyclists that do only make it harder for those that don'rt, as can be seen by the posts here and more to come.

edit: spelling, 




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  Reply # 965952 13-Jan-2014 10:20 2 people support this post Send private message

@Buzz - you're absolutely right about Hutt bus drivers although I find they have got better over the years. Their worst crime has always been jumping in front of traffic when coming out of bus stops which I rarely see them do now.

As for sharing the road, I am a cyclist and motorist myself, and always try and give cyclists plenty of room - especially out on windy country roads. I always try and give them at least a meter and am quite happy to slow down to their speed until it's safe to pass.

This being said there are still some cyclists that think they own the road. I'll never forget one chic that failed to give way to me on a round about, then when I tooted at her, proceeded to move into the middle of my lane for a while and ensure I couldn't pass. It's this sort of crap that gives cyclists a bad rep. 

Finally, as for becoming pedestrians when it's convenient, I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand they should follow the rules of the road like every other vehicle, and on the other hand we all like to cheat the system if we think we can get away with it, don't we?

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  Reply # 965953 13-Jan-2014 10:23 2 people support this post Send private message

Mark: Also very interesting on the wording, for the poor bugger who got run over last week they never say he "ran a red light", they always say "the truck driver had the green"
The cyclist may have chosen to run the red, drifted out too far, and got collected by the truck.  He may instead have had a malfunction, and not been in control of his bike.  After all, who would willingly bike into the path of a truck?  Until the Police establish the facts, I doubt that they are going to place any blame on the cyclist.

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  Reply # 965955 13-Jan-2014 10:26 Send private message

gzt:
Mark: Cause it's people like that who hike up my ACC!

In general you are correct about any risk taking behavior impacting ACC levies through increased accidents.

But in particular motorcycles have a far higher death and injury rate than cyclists.

If you wanted to improve your ACC fees, then it is logical to put the bulk of your effort into motorcycle safety.

I have been both a cyclist and motorcyclist. I have never seen any advertising campaign for motorcycle safety like the many we have seen for cyclists and car drivers. Surely there is a list of simple things arising from crash analysis to improve motorcycle safety which should be better known.

jfanning: that's a good point, so what does that education portion of my motorcycle registration go to?


Good question.

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