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Topic # 139030 25-Jan-2014 12:05 Send private message

From Youtube via the Herald.

I've watched the video through a few times. The blame is firmly placed on the truck driver for being on his phone.
But the car that he clips seems to merge from the on ramp directly across his front left corner, and actually nudges the truck to the right. It seems to me perhaps the truck would have hit him regardless. Is the car also/somewhat/exclusively at fault too? I am always very paranoid about how little a truck driver can see down the left side of their cab and never dwell in their blindspot. Thoughts?

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[edit] adding the link to this excellent short video demonstrating the extent of a truck drivers blind spot.

Also I would add I think there's zero excuse for a "professional" driver to not have a legal hands free kit these days.

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  Reply # 974035 25-Jan-2014 12:14 Send private message

The more I watch the video, the more sure I am that it is the cars fault. The truck seems to be driving in a straight line at a constant speed. The car just drives in front of him and gets collected.

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  Reply # 974036 25-Jan-2014 12:14 2 people support this post Send private message

Bloody Truck Drivers!!!!!

Ban them from using our roads........................




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  Reply # 974038 25-Jan-2014 12:21 Send private message

That area has/used to have incidents like that all the time as its actually were the 3 south bound lane become 2 ( State highway 1 - Auckland Southern Motorway between Hill Rd & Alfriston Rd Overbridges.)

Yep the mergeing car seems to be at fault but maybe if the truck driver wasnt distracted he might have seen it trying to merge ?






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  Reply # 974055 25-Jan-2014 12:45 Send private message

josephhinvest: The truck seems to be driving in a straight line at a constant speed. The car just drives in front of him and gets collected.


It is difficult to assert facts from the video. Deviation from any straight line hard to tell at that distance. Not much deviation is required to have an accident. Constant speed? even more difficult to determine.

From what I can see it was a very unwise merge from the car driver. It does not really matter whose fault it is/was. Regardless the truck driver would have preferred to avoid the accident.

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  Reply # 974126 25-Jan-2014 14:46 One person supports this post Send private message

From that particular video my view would be the driver of the car merging ran out of lane and made an error or judgement trying to merge in front of the truck. I don't see how being on a phone would have had any impact on the truck drivers actions.

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  Reply # 974160 25-Jan-2014 16:33 One person supports this post Send private message

Watching people merge in this country is cringe inducing ... if you are entering the highway you should give way to traffic already on it, not the other way around.

So even if the truck driver was on the phone he should have no blame for the crash of someone being impatient.




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  Reply # 974163 25-Jan-2014 16:50 One person supports this post Send private message

The only good thing out of that clip is that no one was killed, and hopefully the injuries weren't as bad as I could imagine them being.

Yeah the truck driver shouldn't have been on his cell-phone, but who knows if it played a role in the collision?

The car does looks like it ran out of space in merging. The truck looks like it might have been moving faster than it, so I guess it potentially drove into the back of the car as it came across? Instead of backing off a little bit like most drivers do when a lane closes.

Merging in New Zealand is a nightmare - everyone wants to push in and no-one wants to cede a metre... There seems to be a lot of people arguing we should move to the Scandinavian 2+1 road (i.e. an alternating passing lane) but don't think that would be at all safe here.

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  Reply # 974172 25-Jan-2014 17:26 One person supports this post Send private message

k1wi: 
Merging in New Zealand is a nightmare - everyone wants to push in and no-one wants to cede a metre...


This.  I've spent a good amount of time driving in other countries (UK, Italy, France, Australia, etc) but I'm continually amazed at the impatience, arrogance and downright dangerous driving I see right here. Sometimes I wonder how much poorly designed road\intersections play in this, but really I think it comes down to people attitudes when they're driving. Drivers here seem to display this weird combination of extreme politeness when it suits them, sense of entitlement at other times and downright arrogance\aggressiveness\rage usually at the worst possible moments.

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  Reply # 974262 25-Jan-2014 19:39 Send private message

Seen it heaps at onramps where someone will merge into the lane and then try to pass the car infront that is yet to merge. Since I am usually not that slow on onramps its never happened to me but is a classic case of some inpatiant arse trying to get a few meters ahead. I think that the car in that one was trying to push ahead of the truck and merged imporperly. Sadly they are only focused on the truck driver being on the phone just like they obsess over measuring speed and nothing else with driving.




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  Reply # 974307 25-Jan-2014 20:36 Send private message

I dread driving home from Wgtn to the Hutt at night now after the changes to the merge on SH2 at Ngauranga Gorge.

A lot of money was spent last year redesigning this to supposedly improve the merge - all it's done is guarantee a bottleneck every night of the week for the last 6 months that are far worse than the prior 2 1/2 years of driving home at exactly the same time every night.


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  Reply # 974704 26-Jan-2014 17:15 Send private message

josephhinvest: The more I watch the video, the more sure I am that it is the cars fault. The truck seems to be driving in a straight line at a constant speed. The car just drives in front of him and gets collected.

Cheers,
Joseph


This is the modus operandi of most police and transport authority advertising.  Take some accident, single out some specific factor that happens to be flavour of the month, place all blame on it to the exclusion of everything else.

The one that's playing at the moment where they have an intersection collision (bullet time paused, the drivers get out and have a conversation before resuming the crash) is a classic example, clearly they put the larger amount of the "blame" on the straight through driver "sorry I'm going to fast" and playing the guilt card for (we assume) killing the kid in the other car, when it could just as easily not have been a factor at all if the crossing vehicle had pulled out close enough that a vehicle travelling under the (clearly open road) speed limit couldn't have stopped anyway, doesn't matter if you get hit at 100km/h or 80km/h, you're not in a good way.






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  Reply # 974709 26-Jan-2014 17:23 One person supports this post Send private message

It's just like prior ad campaigns that have misrepresented both ABS and airbags. They write an ad to suit their agenda, the truth (or basics such as how airbags work) isn't important.


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  Reply # 974772 26-Jan-2014 19:28 One person supports this post Send private message

NZHerald: A truck driver, distracted while using a cellphone, clips a car from behind on Auckland's southern motorway, near Manurewa. The car is spun across two lanes and smashes into another car, which is sent flying off the road.

I think that's the Herald's make-a-story take on it. Here's the description provided by the police:

NZPolice: Real CCTV footage of a truck driver who crashes while using his mobile. Incredibly nobody was killed.

That's accurate enough. My guess is the same would apply if the truck driver had been drinking. Regardless of fault the accident report would have listed the mobile use as a contributing factor and the truck driver probably got demerits for phone use even if it was recognised the accident was not his fault.

The text on screen during the youtube video:

Video: Everybody deserves your full attention

A driver is not in the best position to respond to an incident with a mobile in one hand.

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  Reply # 974827 26-Jan-2014 21:17 2 people support this post Send private message

sbiddle: It's just like prior ad campaigns that have misrepresented both ABS and airbags. They write an ad to suit their agenda, the truth (or basics such as how airbags work) isn't important.



The truth is that there is  a new government way of thinking about road safety.  The message is that mistakes are inevitable, but death and serious injuries are not (hence the new give way advert where the guy makes  a mistake by pulling out, but pays a higher than needed price for his mistake because the other car was speeding). It's a step away from the blame game...everyone has part to play.    Yes the car in the OP's example didn't merge to great it appears, but if the truck driver was paying attention he may have been able to do something to avoid or minimise the severity of the crash.

http://www.saferjourneys.govt.nz/about-safer-journeys/the-safe-system-approach/








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  Reply # 974900 27-Jan-2014 08:24 3 people support this post Send private message

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11192432

follow up artical - one of the dirvers comment




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