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  Reply # 975717 28-Jan-2014 11:50 Send private message


This will be comfortable to wear and comply with the dress policy.

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  Reply # 975719 28-Jan-2014 11:52 One person supports this post Send private message

Aaroona: So I work at a somewhat large company in AKL CBD - we, like most other companies, have a dress policy. This policy is universal in our office and has no bearing on whether you sit at a computer all day, have to climb under desks to plug computers and phones in, or go and visit customers (i.e. externally facing).

This means you are wearing business trousers, shirts (often ties, though option without), dress shoes and whatever your wardrobe includes (waist coat?), crawling around on the floor.


Personally, I think this is a little overkill, I can completely understand having this dress code when you are out and about representing the company to customers etc. But when you're sitting here behind a screen all day, or under a desk patching, installing or removing gear, what would you consider reasonable dress ware?


Do you feel that is should be a universal policy like we have now? or split it out based on your external interaction?
What is considered business casual to you? (acceptable)


I am not saying get rid of the dress code all together, there are reasons to have them, all of which are valid. But in my opinion it needs to be proportionate to the job you are in, not something that can be smacked on universally. 

Thoughts?


EDIT: Just to make clear, this doesn't just apply to IT, this also applies to CSR's who are sitting on the phone all day too! 


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  Reply # 975724 28-Jan-2014 11:54 2 people support this post Send private message

I've done my time through phone -> desktop -> server and I'm now a consultant.

Dress Pants + Polo is pretty common for smaller->mid size.
Dress Pants + Button Up Shirt (monogrammed or not) is standard for corporate support (on site or not).

I wear a suit and tie - I sometimes lose the tie if it is really hot. I wear that whether I am sitting at a desk, at client meetings or racking gear. I buy cheaper suits and replace them regularly.

People need to take some pride in their appearance. Companies have a dress code because otherwise people take the piss. We have "casual friday" - which most people take to be business casual - i.e. jeans and a decent shirt. We had to have that changed to define what casual was because people showed up in trackpants and T-Shirts to an office.

Business Shirt and Business Pants is not an onerous requirement. You are at work - not on holiday. If you want to wear shorts and jandals - don't work in an office.

Working with people in T-Shirts and jeans does not encourage professionalism in any way and inevitably you end up having to tell people to sort it out.




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  Reply # 975725 28-Jan-2014 11:54 Send private message

Geektastic:
Aaroona: So I work at a somewhat large company in AKL CBD - we, like most other companies, have a dress policy. This policy is universal in our office and has no bearing on whether you sit at a computer all day, have to climb under desks to plug computers and phones in, or go and visit customers (i.e. externally facing).

This means you are wearing business trousers, shirts (often ties, though option without), dress shoes and whatever your wardrobe includes (waist coat?), crawling around on the floor.


Personally, I think this is a little overkill, I can completely understand having this dress code when you are out and about representing the company to customers etc. But when you're sitting here behind a screen all day, or under a desk patching, installing or removing gear, what would you consider reasonable dress ware?


Do you feel that is should be a universal policy like we have now? or split it out based on your external interaction?
What is considered business casual to you? (acceptable)


I am not saying get rid of the dress code all together, there are reasons to have them, all of which are valid. But in my opinion it needs to be proportionate to the job you are in, not something that can be smacked on universally. 

Thoughts?


EDIT: Just to make clear, this doesn't just apply to IT, this also applies to CSR's who are sitting on the phone all day too! 


One of the reasons I won't work for anyone other than myself is that I hate being treated like a child by my employers...!


A good way around it. There is a saying  "he who pays the piper calls the tune". So working for yourself  you pay the piper so can call the tune. 




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  Reply # 975731 28-Jan-2014 12:00 Send private message

Our dress code is loosely defined as "corporate casual" For males, this allows for those that want to wear full jacket and tie or just long sleeve shirt and pants, which most of the guys wear. Our helpdesk guys actually dress up more than most - this is their choice. For females, it is a little less clear what they should wear and leads to some very interesting "outfits" ranging from ones showing too much skin to those that are just far too casual...

So yes there should be flexibility in the dress code, but then someone needs to enforce it so that it doesn't get too relaxed.

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  Reply # 975734 28-Jan-2014 12:02 Send private message

andrewNZ: So what about a pair of overalls? sounds silly, but you can meet the dress code and not ruin clothes.


So true.


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  Reply # 975745 28-Jan-2014 12:11 Send private message

My employer has an official dress code, which is basically business casual or full business when with customers - however there is significant discretion applied and it works well. It holds people to a standard, but reasonable allowance are made depending on the job. Most of the technology people I work with still wear business pants, but more often a polo shirt than a business shirt. Some wear jeans most of the time, and as long as they're tidy, it's perfectly acceptable.

I have more 'business' interaction, so I wear business shirt and pants, but not a jacket or a tie unless (on the rare occasion) I'm dealing with external customers. Most of the time I am the customer.

From time to time (very occasionally) we have external people in the building and management send around an email asking that everyone be in business casual while they are around, and it's very well tolerated and accepted.




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  Reply # 975757 28-Jan-2014 12:23 Send private message

Way OT, but..

At an old workplace, a director was showing someone through. Suddenly there was screaming coming from across the room (think screaming monkey). The "clown" had spent the previous 10 minutes winding up a tradesman, and was being beaten as a result...

Good first impression.

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  Reply # 975772 28-Jan-2014 12:31 Send private message

andrewNZ: Way OT, but..

At an old workplace, a director was showing someone through. Suddenly there was screaming coming from across the room (think screaming monkey). The "clown" had spent the previous 10 minutes winding up a tradesman, and was being beaten as a result...

Good first impression.


An ex-colleague of mine once passed out in the customer's NOC on account of a hangover from the previous night. My other colleague and I were all 'Oh, yeah, XXX has had a really bad cold all week. Terrible headaches...'




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  Reply # 975781 28-Jan-2014 12:37 Send private message

Best dress code I've heard of: wear clothes.




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  Reply # 975782 28-Jan-2014 12:39 Send private message

Mmm interesting. Our work place has a dress code and yes pants, black shoes, shirts. However we also have polo's for summer.

The company paid for the polo's as it has there logo's etc.

It does make sense to be well dressed in case you get customers coming through the office (in our case that happens a fair bit)

However sometimes I do get the guys to do casual Friday's. Perhaps talk with your manager?

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  Reply # 975827 28-Jan-2014 13:10 Send private message

While I'm in the central government sector I've struggled with this exact issue through most of my working life, being somewhat of a non-conformist plus finding ties in particular the most constricting nasty inventions known to mankind (resorting to the point of getting a doctor's certificate to avoid wearing one).

My intention - though never actioned - has always been to turn up to work in either a sulu, dress or skirt, thereby meeting the dress code (typically govt departments IME don't define exactly what is meant by "corporate", not even mentioning ties or formal trousers). Perhaps the OP could try this approach??!!

The conflation of choice of clothes and work ethic is so spurious - more so in such roles where "front-line" contact is non-existient, but even in most positions where the full "corporate" look is expected/ required. Personally, my ability to do my job well is made more difficult by being trussed up and over-heated.

(Typed while still sitting in the clothes I cycled into work in... probably time to get changed!)

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  Reply # 975855 28-Jan-2014 13:35 Send private message

I worked for a company the frowned on wearing jeans until I pointed out that I was far more presentable in my dress jeans and nice shirt than the guy in "Business Dress" of a ratty old pair of pants that he'd worn every day for the last five years and a shirt that didn't fit right, oh and the tie from 1962!!

They saw my point and allowed jeans unless we were meeting external clients then suit and tie were required. I had no issue with that as I never had such meetings...

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  Reply # 975898 28-Jan-2014 14:14 Send private message

My employer has always stated along the lines of 'dressing professionally helps you act professionally' and I'm inclined to agree.

During normal hours (0600-2300) there is an expectation that employees will dress in a tidy and professional manner (shirt, dress pants and shoes for the blokes; reasonably long skirts or pants and shirts for the ladys). There is a formal dress code in place for all staff (as per contracts) and for staff who don't get issued a uniform there is a corporate uniform (shirts, pants, skirts, ties, jerseys, vests etc) which is subsidised and non-compulsory. After hours (2300-0600) we operate a smart-casual policy for a gold coin donation, each work group has freedom to define what they see as smart-casual but certain things are still frowned upon (shorts, gawdy t-shirts etc).

Personally, as someone who sits at a desk all day on the phone, I like having a dress code that dictates business attire and take pride in how well our office is presented, even if no one ever sees us.

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  Reply # 975911 28-Jan-2014 14:24 Send private message

kingjj: My employer has always stated along the lines of 'dressing professionally helps you act professionally' and I'm inclined to agree.


This, 1 million times this.



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