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  Reply # 994212 25-Feb-2014 15:52 Send private message

Klipspringer:
Geektastic:

Ah.

Your avatar has me imagining you answering with "Hello, IT. Have you tried switching it off and on again?"!!


I wish I had a response LOL. But for the like of me I have no idea who your avatar is?


Professor Farnsworth: "Good news, everyone!"

But on a thread-related note: So if I own a business, and play music out in the store, I have to pay a fee (or possibly more than one). What if I just play music in the back room for the employees to listen to? Of if I play music off my phone in my office job, where about five other co-workers can hear it?

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  Reply # 994261 25-Feb-2014 16:38 Send private message

If you're playing it where the public can't hear it, no license is required. If the public can hear it, one is.

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  Reply # 994349 25-Feb-2014 19:05 Send private message

old3eyes: The worse thing about the crazy NZ licensing is that the radio stations pay a license to play music over the air. If you own a business and you have a radio that the public can hear you have yet to buy another license for that . kind of double dipping on the part of the people who do the licensing..

I remember a couple of years ago a garage in the UK was taken to court for having a radio in their work shop that people could hear in the reception area. I'm sure it's happened here as well.


It happened to me over 10 years ago. Told them all the adds on the radio pay for the music, plus any one can walk into shop with their own radio, or even down the street, and then told them to get out of the shop.

Never heard back, but crazy if you can't have on what's on the free to recieve air waves. Wonder if having a tv on, where the public can see it requires liscence also for free to air channels!




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  Reply # 994371 25-Feb-2014 19:32 Send private message

Licence required by anyone who plays music audio and / or video recordings in public


You're also meant to pay a fee to use material from newspapers, books, and magazines (and very likely includes websites like NZ Herald).



Wonder if having a tv on, where the public can see it requires liscence also for free to air channels!


Not sure, but many waiting rooms (medical buildings, car service centres, etc.) have TVs installed for customer entertainment, as well as electronics shops (these days they mostly play DVDs though).

Technically, as long as you are not charging the public a fee to listen / watch / read these materials (or doing so in a dangerous or peace-disturbing way), then there's no real reason why you should have to pay a fee to anyone else.

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  Reply # 994374 25-Feb-2014 19:33 One person supports this post Send private message

Thanks for the reminder, finally got around to buying the license for work. Music on hold and retail radio

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  Reply # 994381 25-Feb-2014 19:38 Send private message

Buzz Bumble: Technically, as long as you are not charging the public a fee to listen / watch / read these materials (or doing so in a dangerous or peace-disturbing way), then there's no real reason why you should have to pay a fee to anyone else.

You're wrong there. Even if you are doing it for charity you are still potentially liable for royalty payments for the use of the music (if a rights holder takes action). School productions for example used to be caught out by this one but I'm pretty sure they all understand it these days.

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  Reply # 994384 25-Feb-2014 19:42 Send private message

Buzz Bumble: 

Technically, as long as you are not charging the public a fee to listen / watch / read these materials (or doing so in a dangerous or peace-disturbing way), then there's no real reason why you should have to pay a fee to anyone else.


Morally (and from a natural justice POV) sure.
Technically though, unfortunately not.  It doesn't matter whether you charge for entry, it's free entry, or you pay people to come along.


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  Reply # 994402 25-Feb-2014 20:15 Send private message

old3eyes: The worse thing about the crazy NZ licensing is that the radio stations pay a license to play music over the air. If you own a business and you have a radio that the public can hear you have yet to buy another license for that . kind of double dipping on the part of the people who do the licensing..

They're awesome at that... A jukebox company has to buy the music, they then pay to put them on a jukebox, and then the renter of said jukebox has to pay the public performance licence.

Then they pay all the staff for chasing this up, going to court and losing (when they had a clear cut case, but didn't want a witness), and giving sweet FA to the artists.
You have to remember PPNZ is run by record companies.

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  Reply # 994404 25-Feb-2014 20:21

Kyanar: If you're playing it where the public can't hear it, no license is required. If the public can hear it, one is.


You'd better make sure that the public can't hear it. A PPNZ investigator in a 2009 case admitted that he could hardly hear the music "The music was played very softly and it was necessary to listen to the recording carefully at times to hear the music playing in the background." but a licence was still demanded.

After legal, investigative and admin fees I wonder how much the struggling artists get.

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  Reply # 994409 25-Feb-2014 20:29 Send private message

Bung:
Kyanar: If you're playing it where the public can't hear it, no license is required. If the public can hear it, one is.


After legal, investigative and admin fees I wonder how much the struggling artists get.


And after the record company take, probably about $0.04 a month.

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  Reply # 994434 25-Feb-2014 21:06 3 people support this post Send private message

Play classical music and then tell you that if they can tell you the composer, and the particular orchestra playing it, then you'll pay up, until then, GTFO.

Or just anything\anyone without any representation by the labels they represent.




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  Reply # 997217 1-Mar-2014 18:51 One person supports this post Send private message

old3eyes: The worse thing about the crazy NZ licensing is that the radio stations pay a license to play music over the air. If you own a business and you have a radio that the public can hear you have yet to buy another license for that . kind of double dipping on the part of the people who do the licensing..

I remember a couple of years ago a garage in the UK was taken to court for having a radio in their work shop that people could hear in the reception area. I'm sure it's happened here as well.


Hairdresser in whangarei was fined for playing a radio and hence profiting from the music which was played, somehow.
It's crazy but wait for the TPP, this is just the start

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  Reply # 997376 2-Mar-2014 01:29 Send private message

Let's put some numbers on this. How much is the said hairdresser required to pay per year to make this activity ok with the copyright terms?

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  Reply # 997435 2-Mar-2014 09:10 Send private message

gzt: Let's put some numbers on this. How much is the said hairdresser required to pay per year to make this activity ok with the copyright terms?


https://www.onemusicnz.com/licence-info/which-licence/retail,-hair-beauty,-corporate-function-rooms-and-other-service-providers/

I just don't get the people who are so anti paying this fee.

You pay music in your business because you believe it creates ambiance which adds value, yet don't seem to what to compensate the creator of the ambiance.



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  Reply # 997640 2-Mar-2014 17:12 3 people support this post Send private message

I can (sort of) understand the licensing situation for playing a CD in public.

However, it seems dopey that you need to pay a fee to have the radio on in a taxi etc. The radio transmission is a public broadcast, and the radio station should be the organisation responsible for paying (and presumably has paid) any associated public performance fees. Charging people who then listen to the radio sounds a bit like double-dipping?

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