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Topic # 141045 28-Feb-2014 00:48 Send private message

Must admit this story is cracking me up


British soldiers banned from training for snowy conditions at Norwegian base because health and safety rules deem it too COLD

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British soldiers are being banned by health and safety rules from training at a military base in the Arctic circle - because it's too cold. Locals at the Allied Training Centre in Porsanger in Norway said they were stunned that while Norwegian troops were out in -25C weather, the Brits were being kept in the warm because of the army rules.


Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568384/British-soldiers-banned-training-snowy-conditions-Norwegian-base-health-safety-rules-deem-COLD.html


Apparently they are not allowed out if the temperature drops below -20 C. And NATO has classified temperatures below 8 degrees as "Cold winter training".

"Eight degrees in Porsanger means a fine autumn day" says The base commanding officer Lieutenant Colonel Trond Thomassen





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  Reply # 995926 28-Feb-2014 03:04 Send private message

Are they allowed to fight for real if it's below -20 C, as in a war? If not, this could be a breakthrough for world peace. Great to see the possibility of unionism in the military. "Call off the attack - it's too cold/hot/muddy/dangerous/dusty ...".

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  Reply # 995956 28-Feb-2014 06:54 One person supports this post Send private message

Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.




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  Reply # 995969 28-Feb-2014 07:56 Send private message

I'd imagine their bodies/bits/lungs/etc could freeze and frozen tissue I imagine can't be too good for soldiers?

Nevermind NZ soliders - Ever wondered why Hilter lost? yeah lost most of his army trying to do just that - attack a frozen country

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  Reply # 995974 28-Feb-2014 08:03 Send private message

KiwiNZ: Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.


just curious but when and where was that




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  Reply # 995997 28-Feb-2014 08:33

jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.


just curious but when and where was that


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  Reply # 996003 28-Feb-2014 08:41 Send private message

wakaridnnz:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.


just curious but when and where was that


Mt Ruapehu August 13 1990


ok thanks yes I recall that but it wasn't a training exercise it was the adventurous training centre course so a bit different in that respect.




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  Reply # 996017 28-Feb-2014 08:50 Send private message

I asked my son about this and he agrees with their policy up to a point. For normal exercises and training the risk is way too high. However pre-deployment training for a unit being deployed to a region needs to experience and learn how to keep judgement and cognitive thinking at its highest in adverse conditions therefore it would be appropriate for pre-deployment. Also equipment needs to be checked, tested and calibrated in those conditions.




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  Reply # 996031 28-Feb-2014 08:56 Send private message

jeffnz:
wakaridnnz:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.


just curious but when and where was that


Mt Ruapehu August 13 1990


ok thanks yes I recall that but it wasn't a training exercise it was the adventurous training centre course so a bit different in that respect.


It was an Army Training exercise, my Nephew was to go on it but injured himself on the assault course two days prior, it still haunts him




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  Reply # 996033 28-Feb-2014 08:57 Send private message

This is ridiculous.

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  Reply # 996037 28-Feb-2014 09:03 Send private message

Klipspringer: This is ridiculous.


disagree

for the record my family military involvement is as follows...

Father, WW2,
two uncles NZ Army,
Father in law British Army,
Uncle NZ Navy,
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two sons NZArmy,
Four Nephews NZ Army,
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Brother in law NZ Army,
Sister in law Australian Army,
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  Reply # 996046 28-Feb-2014 09:15 Send private message


eracode: Are they allowed to fight for real if it's below -20 C, as in a war? If not, this could be a breakthrough for world peace. Great to see the possibility of unionism in the military. "Call off the attack - it's too cold/hot/muddy/dangerous/dusty ...".


"Sergeant Major, it's -19.5degrees. Time to tuck 'em all up in beddy-byes with a nice electric blanket and a cup of hot coca." ;-)

Of course, you'll now get all the planet's morons planning their terrorist attacks precisely when it is "too cold/hot/...".

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  Reply # 996065 28-Feb-2014 09:22 Send private message

So as the Russians advance into Western Europe in the winter the EU decides it's too cold to fight so they wave the white flag due to OSH concerns. Churchill would turn in his grave...




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  Reply # 996070 28-Feb-2014 09:26 2 people support this post Send private message

old3eyes: So as the Russians advance into Western Europe in the winter the EU decides it's too cold to fight so they wave the white flag due to OSH concerns. Churchill would turn in his grave...


There is a big difference between Training, Pre-deployment Training, Special Ops Training and combat.  Losing military personnel during normal training makes no sense what so ever.




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  Reply # 996137 28-Feb-2014 10:08 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
wakaridnnz:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Putting needless risk on defence force personnel for training is pointless. NZ lost a group from 1st Battalion doing just that.


just curious but when and where was that


Mt Ruapehu August 13 1990


ok thanks yes I recall that but it wasn't a training exercise it was the adventurous training centre course so a bit different in that respect.


It was an Army Training exercise, my Nephew was to go on it but injured himself on the assault course two days prior, it still haunts him


I have a bit of experience to and was a serving Officer when this happened and know one of the instructors that was involved. It wasn't a training exercise as in  what the op is posting about as  it wasn't a unit it was people from units that do these courses.

I do agree about adverse conditions and what is the real goal needing to be achieved, if you don't have the right gear or training it is a recipe for disaster.






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  Reply # 996142 28-Feb-2014 10:09 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: This is ridiculous.


disagree

for the record my family military involvement is as follows...

Father, WW2,
two uncles NZ Army,
Father in law British Army,
Uncle NZ Navy,
Uncle RNZAF,
two sons NZArmy,
Four Nephews NZ Army,
one Niece NZ Army,
Brother in law NZ Army,
Sister in law Australian Army,
Sons father in law  NZ Army






thats really good but fail to see that it makes you an expert as you are only getting this info third hand and someones opinion.




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