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  Reply # 1025656 15-Apr-2014 16:01 Send private message

charsleysa:
KiwiNZ: Meritocracy ? No thanks,  IQ does not equal good sense or the ability to interact or any  leadership skills.

Basically a loopy idea


Ability to interact and leadership skills don't mean squat if you have no idea what you're doing.


That my friend is a meaningless post.

To be a leader a primary attributes and abilities are Leadership skills, being able to interact. and the ability to listen to and communicate with advisors.  




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  Reply # 1025658 15-Apr-2014 16:06 One person supports this post Send private message

back on topic guys, start another thread if you want to rant on about a Republic or the pro's and cons




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  Reply # 1025668 15-Apr-2014 16:12 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
charsleysa:
KiwiNZ: Meritocracy ? No thanks,  IQ does not equal good sense or the ability to interact or any  leadership skills.

Basically a loopy idea


Ability to interact and leadership skills don't mean squat if you have no idea what you're doing.


That my friend is a meaningless post.

To be a leader a primary attributes and abilities are Leadership skills, being able to interact. and the ability to listen to and communicate with advisors.  


Anyone can be a leader, the current elections are a popularity contest with whoever is saying what the people want to hear being the winner.

That is a failing system. The people being voted in should have relevant experience and know the area they about to take control of.

A Meritocracy would enable that to happen while still giving freedom to vote, the only restriction being that the people running to be elected will have the ability to successfully run their sector.

A senior medical director with 30 years experience in NZ would be better suit to be the Minister of Health instead of the current Minister of Health who was a Credit Analyst and has had no medical experience.




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  Reply # 1025669 15-Apr-2014 16:13 Send private message

charsleysa:
KiwiNZ:
charsleysa:
KiwiNZ: Meritocracy ? No thanks,  IQ does not equal good sense or the ability to interact or any  leadership skills.

Basically a loopy idea


Ability to interact and leadership skills don't mean squat if you have no idea what you're doing.


That my friend is a meaningless post.

To be a leader a primary attributes and abilities are Leadership skills, being able to interact. and the ability to listen to and communicate with advisors.  


Anyone can be a leader, the current elections are a popularity contest with whoever is saying what the people want to hear being the winner.

That is a failing system. The people being voted in should have relevant experience and know the area they about to take control of.

A Meritocracy would enable that to happen while still giving freedom to vote, the only restriction being that the people running to be elected will have the ability to successfully run their sector.

A senior medical director with 30 years experience in NZ would be better suit to be the Minister of Health instead of the current Minister of Health who was a Credit Analyst and has had no medical experience.


I think you should start another thread for this




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  Reply # 1025687 15-Apr-2014 16:35 One person supports this post Send private message

I LOVE the royal family.. Wills is so handsome and Kate's so beautiful.. and they're like so.... ROYAL!

One time I slept in a ditch for 3 days to get a good spot and Wills came by in a car.. and he LOOKED at me... OMG I scweemed and scweemed and scweemed..

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  Reply # 1025693 15-Apr-2014 16:44 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
charsleysa:
KiwiNZ: Meritocracy ? No thanks,  IQ does not equal good sense or the ability to interact or any  leadership skills.

Basically a loopy idea


Ability to interact and leadership skills don't mean squat if you have no idea what you're doing.


That my friend is a meaningless post.

To be a leader a primary attributes and abilities are Leadership skills, being able to interact. and the ability to listen to and communicate with advisors.  


Who said that a Meritocracy is based solely on IQ? Merit can include leadership or anything else.

Actually, I don't know that the 'President' needs to be a leader. The Governor General functions essentially as an auditor, and the 'President' could be the same.

The most important aspect is that (a) they're independent of the Govt, and (b) can stop the Govt from doing wrong, whilst (c) allowing the Govt to govern.

Shouldn't be all that hard.....



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  Reply # 1025695 15-Apr-2014 16:47 Send private message

frankv:
KiwiNZ:
charsleysa:
KiwiNZ: Meritocracy ? No thanks,  IQ does not equal good sense or the ability to interact or any  leadership skills.

Basically a loopy idea


Ability to interact and leadership skills don't mean squat if you have no idea what you're doing.


That my friend is a meaningless post.

To be a leader a primary attributes and abilities are Leadership skills, being able to interact. and the ability to listen to and communicate with advisors.  


Who said that a Meritocracy is based solely on IQ? Merit can include leadership or anything else.

Actually, I don't know that the 'President' needs to be a leader. The Governor General functions essentially as an auditor, and the 'President' could be the same.

The most important aspect is that (a) they're independent of the Govt, and (b) can stop the Govt from doing wrong, whilst (c) allowing the Govt to govern.

Shouldn't be all that hard.....




A new thread has been started for this conversation here.




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Reply # 1025856 15-Apr-2014 21:48 Send private message

KiwiNZ: We spend more per week dealing with the results of the binge drinking than what was invested in the tour.


Great argument!

We have already wasted some money, let waste some more! Yeay!







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  Reply # 1025858 15-Apr-2014 21:49 One person supports this post Send private message

tour brings publicity and tourism.

binge drinking gives you the piss.

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  Reply # 1025859 15-Apr-2014 21:52 Send private message

joker97: tour brings publicity and tourism.


Yeah, the tour will definitely brings more tourists.

Guess what, most tourists in NZ are from Asian countries who don't care about the British royals (or know nothing about them).







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  Reply # 1025861 15-Apr-2014 21:57 Send private message

most asians are die hard fans of Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea ... they learn English from watching footy, could probably recognise God save the Queen when it is blasted at Wembley before the FA Cup final and they probably know who the Queen is, although perhaps not necessarily her title.

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  Reply # 1025862 15-Apr-2014 22:07 Send private message

nakedmolerat:
KiwiNZ: We spend more per week dealing with the results of the binge drinking than what was invested in the tour.


Great argument!

We have already wasted some money, let waste some more! Yeay!


So if we stop Royal tours we should stop the sale of booze.




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  Reply # 1025866 15-Apr-2014 22:13 One person supports this post Send private message

KiwiNZ:
nakedmolerat:
KiwiNZ: We spend more per week dealing with the results of the binge drinking than what was invested in the tour.


Great argument!

We have already wasted some money, let waste some more! Yeay!


So if we stop Royal tours we should stop the sale of booze.


I agree and support that 100%. Have a look at one presentation here for edit : (removed link, although this presentation was found via Google search, I dont think it is appropriate) Wellington Emergency (this is an old presentation, things has not improved at all)

FYI: I never drink alcohol and not interested in alcoholic drink at all.







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  Reply # 1025877 15-Apr-2014 23:10 Send private message

Im fine with this, its like what one every so many years. But if the tax payers are paying, but i would like to see then more with the tax payers, none of this hanging out with our MP's and PM's dinner stuff! how about dinner with the folks that are paying for your trip.

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  Reply # 1025884 15-Apr-2014 23:27 Send private message

I have no interest in the Royal Tour, but as the saying goes: "It pays to advertise".

One Million for the international publicity NZ has received from the Royal Tour is a bargain.

And it's not just tourists, it's also exported products. There will be an increase in the sale of NZ produced goods during and immediately after the tour, and many people will like what they bought and continue to buy more.

Plus I wouldn't call it a holiday. If my holidays were anything like the Royal Tour, then I think I'd always stay at home.

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