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  Reply # 1721679 17-Feb-2017 09:13 2 people support this post Send private message quote this post

 I don't see him as mentally impaired. He is who he is, always has been like that. He can get away with that if he is the boss, or he has pull when making deals, but as POTUS he is not the boss of the USA, he is the leader of the governing party, and he is not the boss of the globe, he is a peer in the globe. All of which seems lost on him. The Cream will rise to the top and the lead will sink to the bottom


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  Reply # 1721684 17-Feb-2017 09:38 Send private message quote this post

I know it's on Stuff so get your salt shakers ready. But this guy is a ******* ****** **** piece of work. Australias' Trump, more like Australias' sewer rat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/89506091/is-this-one-nation-candidate-the-rudest-politician-in-australia

 

 





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  Reply # 1721695 17-Feb-2017 10:01 Send private message quote this post

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Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

 

 

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

 

 





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  Reply # 1721696 17-Feb-2017 10:03 Send private message quote this post

Paul1977:

 

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

 

 

Yes, but ...

 

Professor Frances is probably the ultimate authority on diagnostic criteria for psychiatric diseases.

 

In a sense, he didn't just "write the textbook" - he wrote all of them.

 

The DSM-IV criteria are used by every psychiatrist on the planet.

 


An Eminent Psychiatrist Demurs on Trump’s Mental State

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... I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them.

... The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological.

ALLEN FRANCES

The writer, professor emeritus of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University Medical College, was chairman of the task force that wrote the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (D.S.M.-IV).

 


EDIT:  Basically Frances is saying that Trump is bad, not mad.





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  Reply # 1721699 17-Feb-2017 10:06 Send private message quote this post

 As soon as one loud-mouthed bigot gets away with it, all the others crawl out from under their rocks.

 

 





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  Reply # 1721713 17-Feb-2017 10:39 Send private message quote this post

Sideface:

 

Paul1977:

 

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

 

 

Yes, but ...

 

Professor Frances is probably the ultimate authority on diagnostic criteria for psychiatric diseases.

 

In a sense, he didn't just "write the textbook" - he wrote all of them.

 

The DSM-IV criteria are used by every psychiatrist on the planet.

 

 

 

 

Yes, but....

 

He also hasn't meet Trump in person to properly diagnose him, and can only speculate about levels of distress and impairment.

 

Allen Frances, of all people, should know that he can't make a definitive diagnosis based solely on what he has seen of someones public persona on television.

 

Those saying Trump is mentally ill have insufficient information to reach their conclusion, likewise Allen Frances has insufficient information to reach his.


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  Reply # 1721715 17-Feb-2017 10:44 2 people support this post Send private message quote this post

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Paul1977:

 

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

 

 

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

 

 

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.


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  Reply # 1721719 17-Feb-2017 10:54 Send private message quote this post

Paul1977:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Paul1977:

 

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

 

 

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

 

 

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

 

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1721720 17-Feb-2017 10:57 Send private message quote this post

Paul1977:

 

 

 

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

 

 

I get your point but I think you are wrong. It is unprofessional to conclude that someone is mentally ill on the basis of public statements and actions, but illness can be properly ruled out on the same basis. If Trump is seen not doing something that is necessary to make the diagnosis, then you can safely say he doesn't fit that particular profile. It is like technical fault-finding. Only one thing causes the problem, but many things can be ruled out.  





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  Reply # 1721721 17-Feb-2017 11:04 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

Rikkitic:

 

Paul1977:

 

 

 

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

 

 

I get your point but I think you are wrong. It is unprofessional to conclude that someone is mentally ill on the basis of public statements and actions, but illness can be properly ruled out on the same basis. If Trump is seen not doing something that is necessary to make the diagnosis, then you can safely say he doesn't fit that particular profile. It is like technical fault-finding. Only one thing causes the problem, but many things can be ruled out.  

 

 

 

 

Wrong, psychological conditions are complex a diagnosis cannot be made watching TV or reading press releases. I had a long discussion with my son( a Psychologist) about this and he agrees. These golf making these diagnoses  are grand standing. A diagnosis is done over several in depth sessions with the individual over a period of time with followup review to confirm etc.





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  Reply # 1721724 17-Feb-2017 11:19 Send private message quote this post

I think it is time to rename his news conference "Beat the Press". I watched his news conference this morning and am still trying to work out just exactly what he was trying to say.

 

I think he was trying to say he is greater than God, all of those around him are just beautiful people and everybody else deserve no more than to be treated with contempt. He is an embarrassing wannabe world leader.


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  Reply # 1721726 17-Feb-2017 11:21 Send private message quote this post

DaveB:

 

I think it is time to rename his news conference "Beat the Press". I watched his news conference this morning and am still trying to work out just exactly what he was trying to say.

 

I think he was trying to say he is greater than God, all of those around him are just beautiful people and everybody else deserve no more than to be treated with contempt. He is an embarrassing wannabe world leader.

 

 

 

 

He awarded himself a GCMG when he was elected.





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  Reply # 1721740 17-Feb-2017 11:53 Send private message quote this post

MikeB4:

 

DaveB:

 

I think it is time to rename his news conference "Beat the Press". I watched his news conference this morning and am still trying to work out just exactly what he was trying to say.

 

I think he was trying to say he is greater than God, all of those around him are just beautiful people and everybody else deserve no more than to be treated with contempt. He is an embarrassing wannabe world leader.

 

 

 He awarded himself a GCMG when he was elected.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm ..... Chumpy and the GCMG? Now I know what it stands for - "God Calls Me God"!


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  Reply # 1721741 17-Feb-2017 11:55 Send private message quote this post

He is running the White House as he runs his business, its not a mental health issue. His manner, attitude, aggression, is normal for him and its normal for many others. His issue is that he does not feel the need to give the position and the responsibility the respect it deserves. Thats happens to be his attitude. Its not appropriate but its not abnormal either


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  Reply # 1721767 17-Feb-2017 12:25 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

He is running the White House as he runs his business, its not a mental health issue. His manner, attitude, aggression, is normal for him and its normal for many others. His issue is that he does not feel the need to give the position and the responsibility the respect it deserves. Thats happens to be his attitude. Its not appropriate but its not abnormal either

 

 

 

 

It is abnormal for a president to act in this manner.

 

The more he attacks the press the more they will dig up truths.


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