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  Reply # 600778 27-Mar-2012 15:38 Send private message

If Orcon get onboard with Quickflix, then Ill seriously consider using it, otherwise ill stay as I am with my 5GB a month and live without decent TV - I cant afford to upgrade my data AND pay for a service to watch "new" shows...... and with 5GB, I download squat all. (People seem to think that because Im in IT I can afford anything I want... I wish. :) )




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  Reply # 600780 27-Mar-2012 15:39 Send private message

nigelj: (fwiw, it does seem Spotify is around the corner, as they have recently(?) created SpotifyNZ/SpotifyAU twitter accounts)


Not recently.  Was created in August last year. 

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  Reply # 600781 27-Mar-2012 15:39 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
reven:
the thing that sucks about netflix is its silverlight and doesnt work on linux, but they are working on a linux player (as a developer i would use silverlight over flash, but cuts out linux community)


Netflix runs on Tivo in the States. Tivo = Linux


yes but thats a custom written application for tivo.  it also runs on chromeos which is linux, but once again thats a custom written application for chromeos.

netflix does not work on linux.  it doesnt work using wine, it doesnt work with moonlight (no drm support), it doesnt work running emulators, the only way you can get it to work on linux is via a VM.

netflix have started there are a few developers working on a linux solution but its low priority and will likely take over a year. 




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  Reply # 600785 27-Mar-2012 15:42 Send private message

BraaiGuy: Its available on my PS3. Why can't I get it on my Sony TV?

Simularily for TV3 on demand, but thats only available on a PC - Whats the point.


ps3 is basically just using its browser to deliver these to you, your sony tv doesnt have that built in.  personally i think ps3s implementation of tvnz ondemand is pretty crap, navigation is a PITA. 




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  Reply # 601113 28-Mar-2012 09:55 Send private message

If Quickflix comes here and the content is good I will be happy to invest or use which ever device is best for it. Currently use about 80GB a month streaming from US services and happy with what I get. I'm hoping for some local choice and will support it.

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  Reply # 601124 28-Mar-2012 10:26 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
freitasm:
NonprayingMantis: looking at what they do in Ozzie, I see they have apps loaded onto Sony and Samsung Devices including connected TVs, PS3s, tablets etc. that pretty much covers off a large proportion of the market.

If they partner with Telstraclear (with the T-Box and cable set top box) or Telecom (with the TiVo) then they could potentially load apps onto their devices I presume.

Not sure what their library for Nz will look like though. Will they be able to get access to the good content, or does sky have it all locked up? If the only shows are old then I won't bother, but if there is some good stuff (SoHo type stuff) then I will definitely get rid of my multiroom, and possibly Sky altogether.


Telecom and TiVo? Surely you are not suggesting giving those two a second chance of a marriage?
 



haha, well who knows.  I have no idea if it is techincally possible, but TiVo had a media streaming capability via Caspa, and Telecom have been giving the things away for a while now - maybe they are doing it to get a good enough scale to launch quickflix?  (or maybe I am reading too much into it)



Pleaseohpleaseohplease - if the Caspa service on Tivo actually had decent content on it, that would be the icing on the cake, and if it was actually a Netflicks/QuickFlix type of monthly all-you-can-eat thing, then that would just be the ducks nuts! Especially with the free Tivo traffic for us on Telecom plans!

With that type of content, they could sell Tivos at $500, rather than giving them away... 

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  Reply # 601136 28-Mar-2012 11:10 Send private message

Best case would be:  

Set Top Box/PVR like TiVo, say under $500.

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All you can eat Netflix/QuickFlix, with DVD store range of content, on a monthly subscription.

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Broadband bundle, say with different rates for 20GB, 40GB, 60GB etc. 

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A monthly price not stupidly more than Sky + MySky + movies + SoHo, so starting at around $80 a month, for the 20GB version. 

I think this is doable, anybody agree? 

Edit for typos, sorry. 




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  Reply # 601142 28-Mar-2012 11:13 Send private message

Yes, but change:
Set Top Box/PVR like TiVo, say under $500.

To application on Boxee/Tivo/Apple TV/Samsung TVs/Sony Tvs/LG TVs/Roku + smart phone/tablet apps. - you know, like all the big players.....






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  Reply # 601145 28-Mar-2012 11:26 Send private message

davidcole: Yes, but change:
Set Top Box/PVR like TiVo, say under $500.

To application on Boxee/Tivo/Apple TV/Samsung TVs/Sony Tvs/LG TVs/Roku + smart phone/tablet apps. - you know, like all the big players.....




I had thought of that.

My reasoning is that a sale of a STB would mean that whoever offers this would be able to offer an end to end package, and maybe make money selling the box. 

The application way might make it cheaper to enter the market mind you.

Both?  

 




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  Reply # 601150 28-Mar-2012 11:36 Send private message

crackrdbycracku: Best case would be:  

Set Top Box/PVR like TiVo, say under $500.

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All you can eat Netflix/QuickFlix, with DVD store range of content, on a monthly subscription.

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Broadband bundle, say with different rates for 20GB, 40GB, 60GB etc. 

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A monthly price not stupidly more than Sky + MySky + movies + SoHo, so starting at around $80 a month, for the 20GB version. 

I think this is doable, anybody agree? 



For exactly what you have described above this is what I am currently paying:

Astril VPN: US$5.83pm = NZ$7.10pm
Netflix: US$7.99pm = NZ$9.75pm
Snap Internet: NZ$25pm for the extra 25GB (which is sufficient as I get by on 30GB per month ans cant factor in the whole cost as I would have to pay for broadband anyway)

= NZ$41.85

Hulu+ is an additional US$7.99 per month. We activate it some times. But the combination of Netflix/Vudo and the Tivo freeview channels we have more than we can ever have with sky.

All I miss is skysports. And it will be good getting a streaming soluttion for that. I will be more than happy to pay $25 per month for it. But I dont want all the other sky crap with it. Maybe Igloo will be a solution for me.




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  Reply # 601205 28-Mar-2012 12:54 Send private message

reven:
 People complain when there's no option for legal content sourcing, then complain when there's... 

My point is that pirates will keep pirating, regardless. It would be wonderful if that was not the case, but sorry, it's how it works. Free trumps paid.  


but a lot of people have been pirating stuff over the years because its the easiest way to get the content they want in the format they want.

i know this person, not me someone else, who doesnt want blurays, or dvds, or DRMed SD movies from itunes but wants to watch any movie/tv show on any device connect to tvs.  

in the past the easiest way was only the illegal way.  so there was little choice.  now this person has completely stopped doing that (seriously not me) and is paying for services such as netflix, hulu etc and is happy to do so.

what he wants is a thin client connect to a tv, that he can hide from the tv and can easily stream legally from online services or watch a collection of his own movies/tv that have been ripped from dvds/bluray (i think thats legal now... isnt it?).  and now you can (well you're breaking netflix/hulus terms of service, but thats not exactly illegal) and you're paying for it.

if there was in a service just as good as netflix in nz that worked on the devices he wants and cost relatively the same, he would sign up to nz service.

the thing that sucks about netflix is its silverlight and doesnt work on linux, but they are working on a linux player (as a developer i would use silverlight over flash, but cuts out linux community)


I am just such a person. The only thing I still download is TV shows because I cant get Hulu on my apple tv and iTunes US price for TV is way to high IMO. For movies I happily pay for iTunes and Netflix. For music I no longer use MP3 so I buy the CD online and rip to FLAC but if I did still use lossy codecs I would buy tracks on iTunes.

If content is reasonably priced and easy to access I have no issue paying for it. 




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  Reply # 601346 28-Mar-2012 15:23 Send private message

Launch it and I'm in. I can totally justify $20 per month for an on demand service and a couple of hundred dollars if necessary for a suitable device and I think it's far preferable than torrenting etc. The only issue I can see is maybe I need more data but I'd cross that bridge when I come to it.

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  Reply # 601407 28-Mar-2012 16:54 Send private message

freitasm:My point is that pirates will keep pirating, regardless. It would be wonderful if that was not the case, but sorry, it's how it works. Free trumps paid.


If it's:
 1: easy
 2: fast
 3: cheapish
 4: has the stuff I want to see/hear
and
 5: DRM free so I can keep the show indefinitely, I can put it on any device I so choose, and I can user whatever operating system I so desire

then I would gladly pay to officially download media.

There are no available solutions that provide all 5.





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  Reply # 601414 28-Mar-2012 17:09 Send private message

sleemanj:
freitasm:My point is that pirates will keep pirating, regardless. It would be wonderful if that was not the case, but sorry, it's how it works. Free trumps paid.


If it's:
 1: easy
 2: fast
 3: cheapish
 4: has the stuff I want to see/hear
and
 5: DRM free so I can keep the show indefinitely, I can put it on any device I so choose, and I can user whatever operating system I so desire

then I would gladly pay to officially download media.

There are no available solutions that provide all 5.



What Braaiguy has ticks boxes 2, 3, 4.

If you put what he has in some "it comes in a box with easy instructions saying plug A into B and phone support" package, that would tick 1. 

5 is tough. I don't think you are ever going to get to 'keep' the shows. Play them on different devices? Sure, with applications that is totally doable. Watch them as many times as your bandwidth allows and as long as you keep paying the subscription? Sure, stream away. But keep them? No. Content creators got bills to pay too. 

For me it is all about 1. I think this is where Sky make their money, it's easy. You pay, they install, if there is a problem you get on the phone and they fix. Simple. 

I'm amazed nobody is offering a "I'll set you up with NetFlix" service. I'd pay for it.




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  Reply # 601474 28-Mar-2012 19:17 Send private message

sleemanj:
freitasm:My point is that pirates will keep pirating, regardless. It would be wonderful if that was not the case, but sorry, it's how it works. Free trumps paid.


If it's:
 1: easy
 2: fast
 3: cheapish
 4: has the stuff I want to see/hear
and
 5: DRM free so I can keep the show indefinitely, I can put it on any device I so choose, and I can user whatever operating system I so desire

then I would gladly pay to officially download media.

There are no available solutions that provide all 5.


i need 1 to 4, 5 isnt so important with streaming content.  the advantage of streaming is, you dont have to store it, which can be expensive (my readynas + drives was about $2000).  but disadvantage is slow internet, no internet makes it unwatchable and each time you watch it, it eats into your bandwidth (but you dont usually watch the same thing twice in a month).

but for most things, netflix/hulu streaming is perfect for most users.  owning the content isnt that important to me, legally watching the content is.    but also waiting 6 months or more to watch a tv show thats being talking about all over the internet is unacceptable, so thats where vpns etc come in, its not illegal but its breaks their terms of service.

anyone know when the new season of Spartacus starts here? thats the only show i havent found a way to watch without illegally downloading it (which i have chosen not to, not that great of a show) everything else i watch is streamable via hulu, their own website or vudu.




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