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  Reply # 698204 9-Oct-2012 00:20 Send private message

johny99: WOW just looked at the wireless link at the start of this topic, that seams pretty expensive. What is the plan moving forward, has the government stipulated the pricing of wired and wireless delivery of RBI/UFB be similar or do country folk lose out once again with high monthly rental and bugger all data caps.


As explained throughout this topic, it costs x amount to serve 1 sq km of land. Now in urban areas that cost is spread across 200 houses, whereas in rural communities, the cost is only spread over a couple of houses.

So yes, unfortunately, rural customers will always pay more.

While I, living rurally, essentially have three choices:
  • Wait for Vodafone to upgrade the local tower to full RBI status (not within the next 12 months      according to Vodafone), then pay quite a few hundreds of $ for equipment and installation (a simple job I could easily do myself), and then continue to pay over the odds for data which will come down the pipe at only 3-5Mbps.
  • Use Telecom's XT network with similar speeds to RBI, but prohibitive data costs (a friend pays      Telecom $30/month for only 750MB for this).
  • Use Farmside satellite, with reasonable up-front cost but high ongoing data cost.



I work for one of the largest wireless networks in NZ and can supply 2-100Mbps connections to even the most remote locations. The government has also given us funding towards the RBI, and we are in the process of releasing very competitive pricing soon if you are within these areas. Our most recent RBI customer is getting 10Mbps up and down, even though they don't get mobile phone coverage.

There are also a lot of local WiFi providers like the one mentioned within this topic, that can provide a very reasonable service for a low cost (I think considering) per month -just Google it to find more. But it does depend on how remote you are. 

Most WiFi providers across NZ have the following benefits over Mobile Broadband providers:
  • Data cap far exceeds mobile broadband 20-100GB+ if any at all
  • Higher sustained speeds, far better than DSL/Mobile connections
  • Very low latency, End user to ISP gateway often less than 15ms. (Just tested our network from Wgtn to Akl over only our wireless backbone.)




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  Reply # 698229 9-Oct-2012 06:24 Send private message

chevrolux:

I am so so sick of hearing this!!!!

Yes that is the way it is and it is highly unreasonable to expect the same coverage in a rural area than high density urban area.


Wow, that's quite a diatribe! You have quoted my entire post. apparently without having read it!
Simply put, I do accept that broadband will cost more rurally, the fact is that the service which I and others would pay more for just doesn't exist. And when it does come, it will still be small fry compared to the urban offerings.
But that doesn't stop me complaining when existing infrastructure gets loaded up to the point where it is broken, with no intention of fixing it. Why have it there in the first place if you don't want to keep it going? You can't tell me there is no demand - if that were true, it wouldn't now be broken. And I don't expect ADSL2+ or VDSL type speeds from our ADSL, all that is needed is to increase the backhaul to the exchange in order to restore an effective ADSL service to the local area. I can't understand your attitude that living rurally and having a need for broadband should be mutually exclusive! Ironically, after a few of us have moved to RBI, and the local school finally gets moved to fibre (I wonder when that will happen), the 'last man standing' will think Chorus are fantastic for having upgraded the ADSL!!

jjnz1:
I work for one of the largest wireless networks in NZ and can supply 2-100Mbps connections to even the most remote locations. The government has also given us funding towards the RBI, and we are in the process of releasing very competitive pricing soon if you are within these areas. Our most recent RBI customer is getting 10Mbps up and down, even though they don't get mobile phone coverage.


Which company?

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  Reply # 698233 9-Oct-2012 07:24 Send private message

"As explained throughout this topic, it costs x amount to serve 1 sq km of land. Now in urban areas that cost is spread across 200 houses, whereas in rural communities, the cost is only spread over a couple of houses." 

Its wireless, other point im not clear on is, who provides the wireless gear at the customers end, if the customer does then wouldn't it be cheaper to serve a rural landscape over an urban one? i.e. no fiber to the home needs to be laid.


I think Vodafone are just going to milk it, just like Telecom did before the Govt came down heavy handed, Glad to hear there is some competition in the wireless space? jjnz1 what spectrum do you use?

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  Reply # 698238 9-Oct-2012 08:06 Send private message

johny99 RBI Wholesale pricing is regulated by the government,




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  Reply # 698245 9-Oct-2012 08:26 Send private message

colinuu:
chevrolux:

I am so so sick of hearing this!!!!

Yes that is the way it is and it is highly unreasonable to expect the same coverage in a rural area than high density urban area.


Wow, that's quite a diatribe! You have quoted my entire post. apparently without having read it!
Simply put, I do accept that broadband will cost more rurally, the fact is that the service which I and others would pay more for just doesn't exist. And when it does come, it will still be small fry compared to the urban offerings.
But that doesn't stop me complaining when existing infrastructure gets loaded up to the point where it is broken, with no intention of fixing it. Why have it there in the first place if you don't want to keep it going? You can't tell me there is no demand - if that were true, it wouldn't now be broken. And I don't expect ADSL2+ or VDSL type speeds from our ADSL, all that is needed is to increase the backhaul to the exchange in order to restore an effective ADSL service to the local area. I can't understand your attitude that living rurally and having a need for broadband should be mutually exclusive! Ironically, after a few of us have moved to RBI, and the local school finally gets moved to fibre (I wonder when that will happen), the 'last man standing' will think Chorus are fantastic for having upgraded the ADSL!!

jjnz1:
I work for one of the largest wireless networks in NZ and can supply 2-100Mbps connections to even the most remote locations. The government has also given us funding towards the RBI, and we are in the process of releasing very competitive pricing soon if you are within these areas. Our most recent RBI customer is getting 10Mbps up and down, even though they don't get mobile phone coverage.


Which company?


TeamTalk / Araneo Wireless. 

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  Reply # 698247 9-Oct-2012 08:30 Send private message

johny99:
"As explained throughout this topic, it costs x amount to serve 1 sq km of land. Now in urban areas that cost is spread across 200 houses, whereas in rural communities, the cost is only spread over a couple of houses." 

Its wireless, other point im not clear on is, who provides the wireless gear at the customers end, if the customer does then wouldn't it be cheaper to serve a rural landscape over an urban one? i.e. no fiber to the home needs to be laid.


I think Vodafone are just going to milk it, just like Telecom did before the Govt came down heavy handed, Glad to hear there is some competition in the wireless space? jjnz1 what spectrum do you use?


Hi johny99, we have last mile services in: 900MHz, 2.6GHz, 3.5GHz, 5.8GHz, 7GHz, and everywhere in between up to 60+GHz.

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  Reply # 702916 18-Oct-2012 13:30 Send private message

Hi Joel,

Thanks I have contacted Snap as one of the Araneo retail suppliers and am waiting to hear back....or  should I contact yourselves..??

Rgds...Laurie


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  Reply # 704032 20-Oct-2012 15:35 Send private message

coffeebaron:
lookout: Does anyone have any insider-info on the tower being built in Awhitu? I live in Huia and we a supposedly being served RBI from across the harbour in Awhitu. Haven't heard anything for months however.

This was due to be built in this RBI roll out year (July 2012 to June 2013), but is currently on hold due to some legal action between the landowner and another party (not Vodafone/Chorus). I understand most of the work has been done to get the build of the tower done, so as soon as the dispute is resolved, then it should happen fairly quickly.




My wife says she saw a cell tower on the back of a truck heading out to Huia on Friday. Not sure what to make of that one...

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  Reply # 704036 20-Oct-2012 15:45 Send private message

I contacted both now...heard back from Araneo but they have to pay colocation costs etc so they need 8-12 customers to cover this here...so no go in Tuakau at this time...

I think I have heard back from Snap in relation to ADSL2+ here but not wireless...

Rgds

Laurie


LWJCarroll: Hi Joel,

Thanks I have contacted Snap as one of the Araneo retail suppliers and am waiting to hear back....or  should I contact yourselves..??

Rgds...Laurie


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  Reply # 704040 20-Oct-2012 15:56 Send private message

lookout:
coffeebaron:
lookout: Does anyone have any insider-info on the tower being built in Awhitu? I live in Huia and we a supposedly being served RBI from across the harbour in Awhitu. Haven't heard anything for months however.

This was due to be built in this RBI roll out year (July 2012 to June 2013), but is currently on hold due to some legal action between the landowner and another party (not Vodafone/Chorus). I understand most of the work has been done to get the build of the tower done, so as soon as the dispute is resolved, then it should happen fairly quickly.




My wife says she saw a cell tower on the back of a truck heading out to Huia on Friday. Not sure what to make of that one...


Could be heading to Bethells beach




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  Reply # 739529 2-Jan-2013 22:47 Send private message

First of all: Thanks for opening this thread. I am hoping some of the good folks on here might be in the know on how the Manukau Heads (Awhitu Peninsula) RBI tower is coming along. Are there still legal wrangles, or have these been resolved?  Any ETA perhaps?

Also a curiosity: Earlier in the the thread someone mentioned that they saw a tower being transported towards Huia (October 2012). I actually saw that too, but it went up Exhibition drive.

Not sure which carrier put one there, but still won't reach Huia with a signal from there. Out of interest does anyone know if it's a Telecom, 2 degrees or VF tower?

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  Reply # 739534 2-Jan-2013 23:23 Send private message

jesterpaul:Also a curiosity: Earlier in the the thread someone mentioned that they saw a tower being transported towards Huia (October 2012). I actually saw that too, but it went up Exhibition drive.


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  Reply # 740834 7-Jan-2013 08:29 Send private message

jesterpaul: First of all: Thanks for opening this thread. I am hoping some of the good folks on here might be in the know on how the Manukau Heads (Awhitu Peninsula) RBI tower is coming along. Are there still legal wrangles, or have these been resolved?  Any ETA perhaps?

Also a curiosity: Earlier in the the thread someone mentioned that they saw a tower being transported towards Huia (October 2012). I actually saw that too, but it went up Exhibition drive.

Not sure which carrier put one there, but still won't reach Huia with a signal from there. Out of interest does anyone know if it's a Telecom, 2 degrees or VF tower?


Hey Paul, I'm in Huia. I have a clear view over to Awhitu and noticed a tall red and white tower in the distance that I couldn't see before. Not sure if this is a cell tower?

I also recently changed to Vodafone because I found I can get 3G reception in some parts of my house with VF. I think one of my neighbours must have a Sure Signal

Once the Awhitu tower is hooked up we should get pretty reliable signal over most of Huia. Im interested in hooking into the RBI wireless as our fixed line is quite slow.

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  Reply # 740838 7-Jan-2013 09:01 Send private message

lookout:
jesterpaul: First of all: Thanks for opening this thread. I am hoping some of the good folks on here might be in the know on how the Manukau Heads (Awhitu Peninsula) RBI tower is coming along. Are there still legal wrangles, or have these been resolved?  Any ETA perhaps?

Also a curiosity: Earlier in the the thread someone mentioned that they saw a tower being transported towards Huia (October 2012). I actually saw that too, but it went up Exhibition drive.

Not sure which carrier put one there, but still won't reach Huia with a signal from there. Out of interest does anyone know if it's a Telecom, 2 degrees or VF tower?


Hey Paul, I'm in Huia. I have a clear view over to Awhitu and noticed a tall red and white tower in the distance that I couldn't see before. Not sure if this is a cell tower?

I also recently changed to Vodafone because I found I can get 3G reception in some parts of my house with VF. I think one of my neighbours must have a Sure Signal

Once the Awhitu tower is hooked up we should get pretty reliable signal over most of Huia. Im interested in hooking into the RBI wireless as our fixed line is quite slow.


This will not be a RBI site




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  Reply # 740859 7-Jan-2013 09:23 Send private message

LWJCarroll: Hi Joel,

Thanks I have contacted Snap as one of the Araneo retail suppliers and am waiting to hear back....or  should I contact yourselves..??

Rgds...Laurie



Hi Laurie,

Sorry we don't provide Residential Internet services over Araneo Wireless at the moment, our services over Araneo are predominantly Business WAN tails etc.

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