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Ultimate Geek
  Reply # 706473 25-Oct-2012 19:01 Send private message

I'm moving out into my first flat next month. Signed up to Orcon Unlimited so there's no hassle/arguments and we can all use as much as we'd like. (Plus the street is getting UFB in 4 months.... Massive bonus!)




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Ultimate Geek
  Reply # 706474 25-Oct-2012 19:01 Send private message

I'm moving out into my first flat next month. Signed up to Orcon Unlimited so there's no hassle/arguments and we can all use as much as we'd like. (Plus the street is getting UFB in 4 months.... Massive bonus!)




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Master Geek
  Reply # 707701 28-Oct-2012 01:43 Send private message

If you a get decent downstream speed, you could always just divide up the bandwidth so no one, two or three person/s can congest it to say 6Mbps each unless you want insane real-time video anything.

I use a $100 MikroTik RB750GL gigabit router in front of my DSL router, it has queues to divide up the bandwidth based on IP address. You could then make all IP address cheats share from a single 32Kbps queue etc.... Unfortunately these one's only have 5 ports, because you can limit based on port and forget IP/MAC cheating then.

But look around, go Google routers that have a bandwidth limiter in them, but probably more importantly something that logs bytes through each port or bandwidth queue so you know who's using what.


Cheers,
Gavin.

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Master Geek
  Reply # 707706 28-Oct-2012 02:05 Send private message

FYI...

When the upstream becomes congested (like it can on asymmetric Internet connections), it takes longer to get an "ok I got it send the next packet" message back to any server you're downloading from at the same time. This can effectively slow downstream speed to upstream speeds making the server you're downloading from think your downstream is probably also congested, it's just the nature of how TCP works.

So it's a good idea not to overlook upstream bandwidth management not down how fast you can download, it can make a huge difference to downstream. It's a pet hate I have about asymmetric connections like A/VDSL.

It's the first thing I did for a friend who took over an Internet Cafe, install a centralised bandwidth management solution that bypasses any queueing for TCP ACK frames. Prior to this each workstation had it's own software limiter and downstream traffic flow was terrible with a few uploading photos or video to FB etc... since there wasn't a central way to bypass all ACK frames from any shaping.



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Wannabe Geek
  Reply # 707911 28-Oct-2012 14:37 Send private message

Thanks everyone for the help.

So, I'm convinced VDSL is worth getting and now I just need to find a suitable modem and router.
If I understand correctly, I need a specific modem that supports VDSL2, but the router doesn't need to.
After a bit of googling I have found this modem: http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=403752  and this router: http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=468731.


Looking on trademe, the cost will be about $270 modem and $170 for the router. Which honestly seems to be getting pretty steep with the installation costs included.
The fritzbox7340 is 345, which is $100 cheaper.

Is the extra features of being able to install gargoyle and have better control worthwhile or would the fritzbox suffice?

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Geek
  Reply # 709577 31-Oct-2012 00:38 Send private message

Is there any easy way to find out if a house already has the wiring for VDSL?

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Uber Geek
  Reply # 709578 31-Oct-2012 01:17 Send private message

duduwaka: Is there any easy way to find out if a house already has the wiring for VDSL?


Ask the current residents if they have vdsl. I they don't then you can be pretty certain that the house will need requiring.
I don't think a standard adsl splitter will suffice.

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