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Topic # 138675 13-Jan-2014 09:58 Send private message

Being that it's a new year and it's been over 18 months since IPv6 day I thought I'd check up on how NZ is going with IPv6 adoption. I grabbed the top 500 sites in NZ (according to Alexa), excluded all the global sites (google.com, facebook.com, pornhub.com etc) and ran a check across them.

There were only 2 sites that supported IPv6, geekzone.co.nz and nzsale.com (although this is an Australian company). While there may be some smaller sites that support IPv6, I couldn't get a larger list.

This is really disappointing. APNIC was the first RIR to move onto their last /8 and have made it harder to get IPv4 addresses, so you would think that it would be incentive for site owners to enable IPv6. What's really disappointing is that most of the larger ISPs don't have IPv6 on their own websites (Orcon, Vodafone, Telecom, Maxnet, Slingshot). The only ones that I found were Snap and WXC.

I reached out to Trade Me who were working on IPv6 a while back, but have yet to implement anything. They have forwarded my email on to the tech team, but no reply yet. I also reached out to Web Drive (who claims to be the biggest host in NZ) to see if they have plans on implementing IPv6, once again I was forwarded on to the tech team, but no reply yet.

Come on NZ, sort it out. By this time next year there will be connections that are either IPv6 only or ISPs will be resorting to carrier grade NAT.




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  Reply # 965976 13-Jan-2014 10:50 Send private message

You wont see v6 only users in NZ for some time on the top 10 ISP's. Noone's going to sell a crippled connection, It'll all be public v6 CGN v4 and for that reason why rush or put a high priority on v6 for top NZ websites?

I like v6 and use it where I can but google really made it hard to push v6 to the client when they started rejecting v6 mail without correct rDNS




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  Reply # 965984 13-Jan-2014 10:57 Send private message

There are already isps that use nat

We have our network designed so that when we can roll out v6, we will enable natted v4 for those that use less than 10gb a month so we can recycle v4 space.




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  Reply # 965988 13-Jan-2014 10:59 Send private message

I've been using ipv6 natively for the last couple of years and haven't seen any problems. Google should reject any mail from mail servers without a correct rDNS, whether it be ipv4 or ipv6.

Do many customers on Uber request IPv6 or is it on by default?






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  Reply # 965989 13-Jan-2014 11:01 Send private message

raytaylor: There are already isps that use nat

We have our network designed so that when we can roll out v6, we will enable natted v4 for those that use less than 10gb a month so we can recycle v4 space.


What's the time frame for you to be forced into natting? Are you getting pressure from APNIC?




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  Reply # 965991 13-Jan-2014 11:03 Send private message

To sell a connection these days, you need ipv4 space, ipv6 is just a ip system which is used along side ipv4.

I don't think we will ever see ipv6 only connections in NZ for many years to come. It will be a combination of CGNAT for ipv4 and native ipv6.


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  Reply # 965993 13-Jan-2014 11:04 Send private message

Noodles: I've been using ipv6 natively for the last couple of years and haven't seen any problems. Google should reject any mail from mail servers without a correct rDNS, whether it be ipv4 or ipv6.

Do many customers on Uber request IPv6 or is it on by default?


Yet they dont on v4 and any ISP enabling v6 wide spread is going to have a clogged helpdesk when every exchange box sending smtp direct breaks :)




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  Reply # 966002 13-Jan-2014 11:11 Send private message

I guess because the ipv6 space is much larger, so they're trying to figure a way to manage spam as blacklists no longer work.

Just an FYI on Drugs.com we're seeing 3.78% ipv6 traffic which has doubled in the last 6 months. Akamai is rolling out improved ipv6 controls and I have a feeling they'll be pushing it harder this year. Cloudflare also pushes ipv6 pretty hard.




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  Reply # 966015 13-Jan-2014 11:26 Send private message

Not too shabby but again you now can't just blindly roll out native v6 as an ISP without the major problem of self run SMTP servers causing you problems. Until you as an ISP figure that out blindly deploying it to all clients is a real problem *IF* your modems/routers pick it up and deploy it to the client lan automatically

Akamai and Cloudflare both have sales reasons for pushing v6, It's another point of difference and another box ticked for their clients. If clients didn't care or ask they wouldn't be moving on it at all




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  Reply # 966044 13-Jan-2014 11:33 Send private message

Noodles:
raytaylor: There are already isps that use nat

We have our network designed so that when we can roll out v6, we will enable natted v4 for those that use less than 10gb a month so we can recycle v4 space.


What's the time frame for you to be forced into natting? Are you getting pressure from APNIC?


We have a /22 block and am only using about half of it, so no pressure anytime soon. Though the main holdup for ipv6 is that the manufacturer of our rooftop radios doesnt support v6 in their firmware yet. But a router between the rooftop radio and the subscribers network that does support ipv6 will easily handle the job - its just not worth the expense right now when we can still triple our customer base before we need to worry.

Got the /22 just a few weeks after they switched on the /8 policy which sucks because i would have liked to get a couple of /22's but then i would just be hoarding (and i dont like hoarders)




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  Reply # 966242 13-Jan-2014 15:04 One person supports this post Send private message

FYI located here is a relatively up to date list of NZ govt IPv6 web sites so there is progress

The issue imho is not one of ISP's providing IPv6 but one of content providers insistanting on it i.e. driving the demand and ISPs

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  Reply # 966246 13-Jan-2014 15:13 Send private message

We run native IPv6 through our network including public facing SaaS services, our website and up until recently our mail. I wrote a blog about it actually I will post it on Geekzone now I have a Geekzone blog!
http://xtracta.com/blog/item/28-basics-of-ipv6

Please PM me if you want some more details as I email the IPv6 task force from time to time and they get back pretty quickly.





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  Reply # 967712 15-Jan-2014 18:34 Send private message

As far as content providers go, we have IPv6 enabled on our file servers, although not on our website.
https://cloudscale.files.cloudscale.co.nz/auckland-skyline-small.jpg is an example if you want to test our IPv6 connectivity. 

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  Reply # 967728 15-Jan-2014 19:09 Send private message

Looks nice - so your on FX for bandwidth? (hid our internal IPs)


Tracing route to radosgw3.cloudscale.co.nz [2402:6000:100:2b00:5054:ff:fe89:c4d3
]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2400:4800:40XX::
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2400:4800:40XX::
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2400:4800:X::
4 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms xe-1-0-0.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [2400:4800:2::1]

5 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms ge-0-3-0.cre1.sky.orcon.net.nz [2400:4800:2::a:2
]
6 <1 ms <1 ms 1 ms TenGigabitEthernet0-2-0-909.akkin-rt1.fx.net.nz
[2402:6000:0:103::1]
7 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms TenGigabitEthernet0-1-0-533.aknnr-rt1.fx.net.nz
[2402:6000:0:5::7:2]
8 6 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2402:6000:0:2dc::2
9 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 2402:6000:100:2b00:5054:ff:fe89:c4d3





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  Reply # 967767 15-Jan-2014 20:42 One person supports this post Send private message

Just get the next rugby world cup organisers to announce that it will be avaliable over ipv6 only and that should get everyone in line.




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  Reply # 967785 15-Jan-2014 21:19 Send private message

Zeon: Looks nice - so your on FX for bandwidth?


Yes. That they're peered at all peering exchanges in NZ, including the minor ones, was a major part of why we are using FX. 

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