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Topic # 74857 9-Jan-2011 03:05 Send private message

Hi all

I just found this guys presentation at defcon 18
It is a really good overview of IPv6 and how the end is near - and especially how our community need to be prepared for when clients start asking us why they cannot get to certain websites.

Most stuff i have been reading is really confusing like how it doesnt get natted, instead isp's hand out subnets to each of their customers with 65,000 avaliable addresses - more than enough for every device in the home.

Anyhow here they are
The first one you can skip forward a couple of mins as he talks about something else first


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcC8FAmjZN4&feature=related











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30CnqRK0GHE&feature=related














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  Reply # 425362 9-Jan-2011 03:18 Send private message

Really enjoyed that , also the LNK exploit. Was that a zero day from STUXNET, anyway thanks.

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  Reply # 425365 9-Jan-2011 05:30 Send private message

Yeah I have got my own subnet for IPv6 - Most devices in the house and also my work server has got a IPv6 address. Things are working well. A tad too many addresses though :P




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  Reply # 425402 9-Jan-2011 11:39 Send private message

I have IPv6 at home and at work but the problem is none of my routers support it natively! Only using it for testing atm but its a real pain that they keep releasing firmware that doesn't include support...





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  Reply # 425407 9-Jan-2011 11:48 Send private message

When is datacom getting v6 transit in their datacenters? Not long now till IANA runs out of v4. APNIC is slated to be the first RIR to run out at the end of this year.

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  Reply # 425425 9-Jan-2011 13:54 Send private message

I think that IANA exhaustion will be the main catalyst, it's a milestone that can't be ignored and will awaken alot of companies up

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  Reply # 425426 9-Jan-2011 14:01 Send private message

Beccara: I think that IANA exhaustion will be the main catalyst, it's a milestone that can't be ignored and will awaken alot of companies up

I think you mean APNIC, AP companies can ignore the IANA exhaustion, but then they can't get any more IPs from APNIC, uh oh!

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  Reply # 425428 9-Jan-2011 14:14 Send private message

No no I mean IANA, once the RIR's have their last /8's given to them you then have a more defined runout time for APNIC, no company is going to look at v6 when the RIR's out they will look when the IANA's out (mainly due to the press storm that will happen around it)

If a company waits till APNIC's out then bad luck for them

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  Reply # 425429 9-Jan-2011 14:19 Send private message

@Beccara: Well, you say that, but I don't think the big rush will happen to APNIC is about to run out..
It's taken people this long to get v6 going and pretty much no one has it going yet, so..

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  Reply # 425430 9-Jan-2011 14:20 Send private message

There's also this rather excellent ebook available.




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  Reply # 425432 9-Jan-2011 14:26 Send private message

kyhwana2: @Beccara: Well, you say that, but I don't think the big rush will happen to APNIC is about to run out..
It's taken people this long to get v6 going and pretty much no one has it going yet, so..


Then they will be quite shocked, depending on the company/industry you are talking about the v6 migration will be quite big moreso if there is alot of inhouse custom software. Waiting till APNIC run's out is a foolish idea that will backfire badly is some industries.

v6 has been slow to be taken up due to the boy who cried wolf. Every year I read mainstream news articles about v4 runout happening this year or next and it never happened so alot of PHB's are not listening. Once IANA run's out and that hits the news the same PHB's might just take another look at it 

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  Reply # 425433 9-Jan-2011 14:30 Send private message

Beccara:
v6 has been slow to be taken up due to the boy who cried wolf. Every year I read mainstream news articles about v4 runout happening this year or next and it never happened so alot of PHB's are not listening. Once IANA run's out and that hits the news the same PHB's might just take another look at it 


Point people at this Twitter account!

"Approximately 41 days until IPcalypse. 112,101,256 allocatable IPv4s left. "




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  Reply # 425436 9-Jan-2011 14:38 Send private message

Counters like that are a bit misleading, we have 7 /8's left and when we hit 5 one is handed out to each of the RIR's which means that right now if APNIC asks for another 2 /8's tomorrow (APNIC is widely expected to ask sometime this month for another 2 /8's) then we are at the end tomorrow.

It doesn't matter what numbers of websites you throw at some PHB's they have heard it too many times before and simple wont put time or energy into v6 untill IANA's actually run out

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  Reply # 425437 9-Jan-2011 14:42 Send private message

Beccara: Counters like that are a bit misleading, we have 7 /8's left and when we hit 5 one is handed out to each of the RIR's which means that right now if APNIC asks for another 2 /8's tomorrow (APNIC is widely expected to ask sometime this month for another 2 /8's) then we are at the end tomorrow.

It doesn't matter what numbers of websites you throw at some PHB's they have heard it too many times before and simple wont put time or energy into v6 untill IANA's actually run out


Of course - they're a bit of fun and nothing more.  Still, just because they've been allocated to an RIR doesn't mean they're "used up".

We have IPv6 deployment on the roadmap in the next 6 months, the problem we have currently is one of our vendors doesn't support it on their firewall product.  Which is pretty stupid.

I look forward to widespread IPv6 adoption in the next ~12 months though, instead of jumping naturally, some people will just have to pushed!




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  Reply # 425692 10-Jan-2011 11:50 Send private message

muppet:
Beccara: Counters like that are a bit misleading, we have 7 /8's left and when we hit 5 one is handed out to each of the RIR's which means that right now if APNIC asks for another 2 /8's tomorrow (APNIC is widely expected to ask sometime this month for another 2 /8's) then we are at the end tomorrow.

It doesn't matter what numbers of websites you throw at some PHB's they have heard it too many times before and simple wont put time or energy into v6 untill IANA's actually run out


Of course - they're a bit of fun and nothing more.  Still, just because they've been allocated to an RIR doesn't mean they're "used up".

We have IPv6 deployment on the roadmap in the next 6 months, the problem we have currently is one of our vendors doesn't support it on their firewall product.  Which is pretty stupid.

I look forward to widespread IPv6 adoption in the next ~12 months though, instead of jumping naturally, some people will just have to pushed!


Widespread adoption won't happen that quickly, the issue right now is there is no compelling reason for consumers to start using v6 and until that happens there is no reason for most content providers to change. I would say widespread adoption is still 3 - 5 years away  

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  Reply # 425763 10-Jan-2011 14:45 Send private message

Consumers will drive adoption when ISP's are forced to do large scale nat'ing of their new clients due to v4 IP shortages, When public IP's on your broadband account are $20+ a month on top of your normal fees. ISP's will drive adoption when their support centers are swamped with calls complaining that their XBOX360/PS3/Whatever is complaining about NAT, Or SIP call's no longer work or any of the billion other reasons double NAT will mess with things.

IANA runout will cause the ISP's and large companies to start looking at and implementing v6, RIR runout will trigger ISP's and hardware vendors to start supporting it and publicly offering it. ISP v4 runout will cause consumers to look at their own CPE.

Widespread adoption can't be 3-5 years away, Too much breaks with the LSN needed to extend v4's life out till then. It'll be a waterfall effect as each of the tiers finds the issue of not doing v6 is harder than doing v6

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