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  Reply # 446185 7-Mar-2011 09:06 Send private message

lokhor: Is there a reason why Aussie ISPs can all sustain throttled speeds greater than 64kbps yet NZ ISPs can't?


One would guess population density. 

Bottom line is that no matter where in the world you are, investors still have to make a certain percentage otherwise they will take their money elsewhere.

The rule of less customers brings greater price per unit,
or as the case may be with NZ ISP's; a lower quality service/product to get the price reasonably comparable to the likes of Aussie (or OECD average) - hence 64K cap.


EDIT- Quality may not be the best word, but you get the drift. 

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  Reply # 446201 7-Mar-2011 09:58 Send private message

So basically you're saying due to NZ's low population density our internet is going to perpetually suck?




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  Reply # 446204 7-Mar-2011 10:04 Send private message

lokhor: So basically you're saying due to NZ's low population density our internet is going to perpetually suck?


That will be basically true in the lower population density areas. Auckland is likely to be the big winner in the new braodband scheme, Joe Hicks on the farm at the back of Taupo will just continue to suck in service levels.


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  Reply # 446270 7-Mar-2011 13:02 Send private message

arthurhh:
lokhor: So basically you're saying due to NZ's low population density our internet is going to perpetually suck?


That will be basically true in the lower population density areas. Auckland is likely to be the big winner in the new braodband scheme, Joe Hicks on the farm at the back of Taupo will just continue to suck in service levels.



I think your kind of right, but I think politics will step in and make sure there is very little difference between products and services for Auckland, and products and services for Joe Hicks. 

Therefore unfortunately Joe Hicks will bring down the service 'quality' and rise the price for the rest of NZ. 

Take a look at rural broadband prices- only an extra $20 levy? Yeah right. 500 customers per square kilometre verses 3 for rural...

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  Reply # 446331 7-Mar-2011 15:28 Send private message

arthurhh:
lokhor: So basically you're saying due to NZ's low population density our internet is going to perpetually suck?


That will be basically true in the lower population density areas. Auckland is likely to be the big winner in the new braodband scheme, Joe Hicks on the farm at the back of Taupo will just continue to suck in service levels.



You should see the South Canterbury farmers on fibre then, they went from dial-up to 100mbps fibre... 

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  Reply # 446360 7-Mar-2011 16:46 Send private message

And how was that funded? It's never going to be commercially viable to run fiber to farmers when its a 5km $50k run between customers




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  Reply # 446369 7-Mar-2011 17:23 Send private message

Beccara: And how was that funded? It's never going to be commercially viable to run fiber to farmers when its a 5km $50k run between customers


It is probably another of the many No8 Wire Fibre schemes installed by farmers. They run there own fibre from a nearby POP using mole plows to bury the cable on there own land (no easements no regs etc) and hook up with cheaper than commercial high grade equipment. Works out very cheap

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  Reply # 446526 8-Mar-2011 08:28 Send private message

arthurhh:
Beccara: And how was that funded? It's never going to be commercially viable to run fiber to farmers when its a 5km $50k run between customers


It is probably another of the many No8 Wire Fibre schemes installed by farmers. They run there own fibre from a nearby POP using mole plows to bury the cable on there own land (no easements no regs etc) and hook up with cheaper than commercial high grade equipment. Works out very cheap


Actually your wrong, it was Electricity Ashburton that did it and they are utilising existing poles and ducts.  

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  Reply # 446529 8-Mar-2011 08:40 Send private message

lokhor: So basically you're saying due to NZ's low population density our internet is going to perpetually suck?


Many issues:

- Subscriber density
- Economies of scale (the largest NZ ISP is tiny by international standards)
- Lack of competition (we got started with LLU 3 years+ later than AU and Europe)
- Geographic isolation (long expensive submarine cables required to get to US/world)
- Large consumption of international content (mostly consume overseas content unlike Asians, Americans and Europeans who consume lots of local content)

 

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  Reply # 446586 8-Mar-2011 11:19 Send private message

My first modem was a 2400 baud modem, hooked up to an Amiga 500, dialing into BBS like Holden's Corner (I think it was) in Auckland in the early 90s. It's fun to think of the days when "browsing" consisted of typing in AT commands into a terminal, and getting ASCII graphics displaying a "menu." I remember downloading an 880KB disk took about 45 minutes, and if the line was disconnected (like someone picking up the phone) at 44m59s, the whole lot was lost... ahh, great days! ;)

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  Reply # 446590 8-Mar-2011 11:29 Send private message

tdgeek: Back in them ol' days how big was a homepage? It was small. DU loaded it within a few seconds at about 5.5KB /sec I recall the Xtra homepage in those days being about 50KB. Later it was 85KB.

That "XVille" or whatever it was called felt like 500 KB or so... I'm sure that Telecom had a huge homepage deliberately so that people would spend more time online!

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  Reply # 446618 8-Mar-2011 12:35 Send private message

Lizard1977: My first modem was a 2400 baud modem, hooked up to an Amiga 500, dialing into BBS like Holden's Corner (I think it was) in Auckland in the early 90s. It's fun to think of the days when "browsing" consisted of typing in AT commands into a terminal, and getting ASCII graphics displaying a "menu." I remember downloading an 880KB disk took about 45 minutes, and if the line was disconnected (like someone picking up the phone) at 44m59s, the whole lot was lost... ahh, great days! ;)


Zmodem lives and prospers albiet with a gui nowdays.

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