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  Reply # 576509 2-Feb-2012 21:13 Send private message

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  Reply # 576553 2-Feb-2012 22:01 Send private message

YAH!!!!!! Cyril said everything that needs to be said.

For people in the Manawatu area flick me a message to get your wiring sorted!

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  Reply # 576567 2-Feb-2012 22:12 Send private message

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Yeah a BT like campaign in NZ would work wonders.

Or even if some local installers in each city got together and offered free wiring checks on the basis that if your wiring needed to be done you got it through them. Then people really have nothing to lose.  


To be honest I don't think it would work as well as it might overseas. In NZ we generally just don't care how fast our internet is. People just assume, oh I am rural so I will have slow broadband. Or it's an old house so broadband will be slow etc. We just don't out any value on proper wiring. You look at homes for sale in the states and they will sell them as 'Ethernet ready' or 'Fibre ready'. People truly want the fastest speeds that are available to them.
Now to go back to an ad campaign, maybe if NZers new the potential for speed is there then more value will be put on wiring your home. Especially when you start talking about UFB.
I work for a cabling company. The boss did up a package for one of the main spec home builders in town here. It was very competitively priced (much less mark-up & hours than one would put on when quoting privately) and was a tiny (very tiny) portion of the complete cost of the home build. The builders were just not interested as they saw it as extra cost being put on the customer/extra cost they would have to absorb because the customer didn't want it. Instead, they just continue to let the electrician wire brand new homes in a daisy chain. Ludicrous. So yes, maybe some education to the masses is what is needed

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  Reply # 577148 4-Feb-2012 10:21 Send private message

coffeebaron: @eracode @gjm
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To be honest I don't think it would work as well as it might overseas. In NZ we generally just don't care how fast our internet is. People just assume, oh I am rural so I will have slow broadband. Or it's an old house so broadband will be slow etc. We just don't out any value on proper wiring. You look at homes for sale in the states and they will sell them as 'Ethernet ready' or 'Fibre ready'. People truly want the fastest speeds that are available to them.
Now to go back to an ad campaign, maybe if NZers new the potential for speed is there then more value will be put on wiring your home. Especially when you start talking about UFB.
I work for a cabling company. The boss did up a package for one of the main spec home builders in town here. It was very competitively priced (much less mark-up & hours than one would put on when quoting privately) and was a tiny (very tiny) portion of the complete cost of the home build. The builders were just not interested as they saw it as extra cost being put on the customer/extra cost they would have to absorb because the customer didn't want it. Instead, they just continue to let the electrician wire brand new homes in a daisy chain. Ludicrous. So yes, maybe some education to the masses is what is needed


IMHO a structured cabling system with minimum specs should be part of the building code - just like insulation and double glazing

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  Reply # 577182 4-Feb-2012 12:51 Send private message

IMHO a structured cabling system with minimum specs should be part of the building code - just like insulation and double glazing


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  Reply # 577306 4-Feb-2012 18:24 Send private message

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IMHO a structured cabling system with minimum specs should be part of the building code - just like insulation and double glazing


When VDSL was coming on to the playing field we had a few information sessions with the Chorus boys. They had a joker there who was also part of the TCF. He designed the Chorus 'Service delivery point' and was talking about getting comms cabling in the building code. His argument is you get a code of compliance for your electrical so why don't you get one for your comms cabling. Quite a switched on sort of fella but I am yet to hear of anything remotely close to comms cabling being put in the building code. He was saying about 5 years and it will be in there and this would be coming up nearly 2 years ago now. I guess time will tell.

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  Reply # 577315 4-Feb-2012 18:56 Send private message

chevrolux:
sbiddle:

IMHO a structured cabling system with minimum specs should be part of the building code - just like insulation and double glazing


When VDSL was coming on to the playing field we had a few information sessions with the Chorus boys. They had a joker there who was also part of the TCF. He designed the Chorus 'Service delivery point' and was talking about getting comms cabling in the building code. His argument is you get a code of compliance for your electrical so why don't you get one for your comms cabling. Quite a switched on sort of fella but I am yet to hear of anything remotely close to comms cabling being put in the building code. He was saying about 5 years and it will be in there and this would be coming up nearly 2 years ago now. I guess time will tell.


Unlikely to happen, as anything that is classed as extra low voltage or below does not require any compliance or regulation.

So unless there is a major change in the electrical regs to require compliance when extra low voltage is used it won't happen, if it does happen then all those network installers will then have to undertake suitiable traning to become qualified and able to work on extra low voltage. Can you imagine all the computer people/comms people who would be way pissed off as they are not registered and it would be illegal for them to work with out have some kind of electrical registration

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  Reply # 577370 4-Feb-2012 22:26 Send private message

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chevrolux:
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IMHO a structured cabling system with minimum specs should be part of the building code - just like insulation and double glazing


When VDSL was coming on to the playing field we had a few information sessions with the Chorus boys. They had a joker there who was also part of the TCF. He designed the Chorus 'Service delivery point' and was talking about getting comms cabling in the building code. His argument is you get a code of compliance for your electrical so why don't you get one for your comms cabling. Quite a switched on sort of fella but I am yet to hear of anything remotely close to comms cabling being put in the building code. He was saying about 5 years and it will be in there and this would be coming up nearly 2 years ago now. I guess time will tell.


Unlikely to happen, as anything that is classed as extra low voltage or below does not require any compliance or regulation.

So unless there is a major change in the electrical regs to require compliance when extra low voltage is used it won't happen, if it does happen then all those network installers will then have to undertake suitiable traning to become qualified and able to work on extra low voltage. Can you imagine all the computer people/comms people who would be way pissed off as they are not registered and it would be illegal for them to work with out have some kind of electrical registration


I think if the TCF make a big enough fuss they could quite easily get some more stuff put in the electrical codes. And as for the people installing it needing to be registered, we already do arbitrary courses put on by the cabling manufactures to learn how to run a cable. Molex, for example, require all techs to be 'Molex certified installers' for them to give a 25 year warranty on the site. So the goverment/councils will be able to make a bit more cash by putting on courses for in-home structured cabling techs. It's all pointless stuff but is all eventually for the greater good. If it is required techs will just suck it up and do the courses.

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So I read above that some members can do Master Filter, but who do you go to if you would like your wiring checked / replaced?





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  Reply # 578120 7-Feb-2012 11:45 Send private message

chevrolux:
For people in the Manawatu area flick me a message to get your wiring sorted!


Are you Manawatu based?  Didn't realise, assumed you were Auckland Embarassed

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_Allan: So I read above that some members can do Master Filter, but who do you go to if you would like your wiring checked / replaced?


Communications wiring?  Like phone/network/aerial?  There are usually local specialists in your area.

It's a tricky one as traditionally this was all done by electricians, but not all have kept up with changes in what is now a fairly specialist area.  It's quite common to have dedicated phone outlets hard installed and all daisy chained, even in new homes.  As mentioned above, the increase in costs is a real deterrent for many, but that's assuming the correct way of doing things is even brought to the customers attention.  As for the building code, well that's often  taken as a how to rather than a bare minimum, so they would need to be careful of how any comms wiring requirements were specified as well.

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  Reply # 578155 7-Feb-2012 12:48 Send private message

I think the problem is perceived cost.  I'm presuming that because I have TelstraClear cable BB I don't need to have wiring checked - Cable->Modem->Wireless Router - not much to go wrong, not to mention I'm getting good speeds.

I have thought in the past about installing a terminating cabinet (whatever they are called) to give me more options for using CAT6 instead of wireless but it always comes back to money.  How much does it cost and to what benefit. 

Unless you get a pro in you don't know what is possible but you don't want to get a pro in because you don't know what it will cost.

Perhaps this is a different thread!




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  Reply # 578165 7-Feb-2012 13:13 Send private message

StarBlazer: I think the problem is perceived cost.  I'm presuming that because I have TelstraClear cable BB I don't need to have wiring checked - Cable->Modem->Wireless Router - not much to go wrong, not to mention I'm getting good speeds.

I have thought in the past about installing a terminating cabinet (whatever they are called) to give me more options for using CAT6 instead of wireless but it always comes back to money.  How much does it cost and to what benefit. 

Unless you get a pro in you don't know what is possible but you don't want to get a pro in because you don't know what it will cost.

Perhaps this is a different thread!


I think this is a valid comment, and continued discussion should belong here. Your combination of Cable+WIFI Router is not uncommon for Wellington/Kapiti/Chch folks, but presents a different challenge: how to connect all your widgets to take advantage of it.

In DSL world across the rest of the country, you have 'whats there is there'. UFB will change that, but how long it takes, how much it will costs, and who will pay for it (taxpayer no doubt) is still up for discussion.

The House Wiring issue will change from 'how do I make DSL actually perform for the next 5 years' to 'how can I consume service anywhere in the house, on any device'. I guess the question is how much do you spend now remediating wiring, and what for?

Case in point: I have never had an aerial on the house. I'm getting one put in so I can get Freeview upstairs. Why Freeview and not TelstraClear, given I work for them? I already have 2 t-boxes in the house, which I pay for, and don't want a third. But there is no elegant way of getting a t-box+remote control service upstairs.

I'm a huge fan of wireless, and use it where I can, as commented in my blog.

Of course, the simple answer is that it's not so simple. Everyone has a different style of living place, different outcomes they want to achieve, different widgets with which to do it. Which means everyone has to become a home wiring guru to get it, because no one outfit will do it for you.

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