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Topic # 104833 21-Jun-2012 15:15 Send private message

No surprises there then.

Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to the current crop of Windows Phone 7.5 devices.

Instead the current Lumia 800 and 900 and those from other manufacturers will be getting Windows Phone 7.8.

This will include screen layout changes among other things.

There is so much technically missing from the current Windows Phone 7.5 devices that I believe people didn't buying into the device for it's feature set and probably not really bothered with news of updates or not.

The good news is that the current range of Windows Phone 7.5 devices should be considerably reduced in price as the likes of Nokia attempt to boost the current volume of sales until Windows Phone 8 devices come on line.

The current Lumia 800 and 900 are still nice looking phones (I think so) and if your main use is txt'n and phone calls with a bit of social media the Lumia 800 and 900 are great. A bit over priced, but that should change now.

No Android geek would be paying top dollar for Snapdragon S2 chipset devices, when most Android phones where using the Snapdragon S3 when the Lumia range was released and at that time, some Android devices even had a Snapdragon S4 in them.

I suggest (A rumour I just started right now) we'll probably see the new range of Windows Phone 8 devices sporting a Snapdragon S4 chipset, which is a giant step forward from the Windows Phone 7.5 devices we currently see.




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  Reply # 644325 21-Jun-2012 15:47 Send private message

There is still plenty of Windows Phone 8 features that are yet to be revealed. Only the developer stuff was revealed today mostly. Influx of apps should come for Windows Phone 8 now that Native access is provided to devs when writing apps or games. All the existing 100,000 WP7.5 apps will work on WP8 but not the other way around.

Skype or any other VOIP service will integrate directly into people hub once installed. Full multitasking is provided for VOIP and when opening apps, closing them and opening them again, they will open instantly in WP8. Bitlocker encryption, NFC + Wallet, HD display support, micro-sd card support, multi core CPU support etc coming. WP8 devices are coming in October with Qualcomms S4 + SoC MSM8960 specifically which was only shown at 2012 MWC.

Windows Phone 7.5 will get the new start screen and should also get the other new features except that rely on WP8 specific hardware like NFC. WP8 will be running on the same kernel as Windows 8 so no more WinCE.




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  Reply # 644379 21-Jun-2012 17:12 Send private message

Of course "VoIP" is a generic term here. "SIP VoIP" is very different from "Skype VoIP"...







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  Reply # 644380 21-Jun-2012 17:18 Send private message

The Snapdragon S4 chips also provide support for Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11n 2.4GHz and 5GHz WiFi which is pretty cool if it's incorporated into a device. The Snapdragon dual core CPU stacks up well against quad core devices.  However.... I'm not sure about the state of DirectX and the GPU in the MSM8960.

I believe DirectX 11 is available in the Adreno 320 GPU, but this is the next step up from the chipset mooted for the WP8 devices. The Adreno 320 is over three times faster than the Adreno 225.

The GPU in the MSM8960 chipset is the Adreno 225 which supports DirectX 9.3. So does this mean WP8 will roll with DirectX 9.3 or is there a cunning plan afoot to integrate another GPU solution that does give DirectX 11 in a MSM8960 chipset?

Information available indicates support for the DirectX 11 API so who knows what GPU the new WP8 devices will come with.

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  Reply # 644397 21-Jun-2012 18:12 Send private message

^ New phones running S4 Plus chips - quad core krait and Adreno 320 afaik

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  Reply # 644499 21-Jun-2012 22:48 Send private message

I'm liking the look of the new improved home screen.

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  Reply # 644554 22-Jun-2012 09:22 Send private message

As a web developer I really hope IE10 is coming as part of Windows Phone 7.8

But I'm not holding my breath for it :/

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  Reply # 644586 22-Jun-2012 10:09 Send private message

Not many people prob know this but with Windows Phone 8, Nokia is giving Nokia Drive and Nokia maps to Windows Phone 8 OS itself so any OEM like HTC or Samsung or Huawei WP8 models will come with Nokia drive for FREE. Free offline maps etc.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/nokia-drive-for-all-windows-phone-8-smartphones/




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  Reply # 644995 23-Jun-2012 01:06 Send private message

billgates: Not many people prob know this but with Windows Phone 8, Nokia is giving Nokia Drive and Nokia maps to Windows Phone 8 OS itself so any OEM like HTC or Samsung or Huawei WP8 models will come with Nokia drive for FREE. Free offline maps etc.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/nokia-drive-for-all-windows-phone-8-smartphones/


I don't see how you got that out of Nokia's post.  I read that as making it available for other OEMs to license for inclusion in their devices, which is a whole different kettle of fish - nothing guarantees it will be free, or even available at all on your device.

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  Reply # 645023 23-Jun-2012 09:46 Send private message

This was not announced from Nokia, but from Microsoft during the keynote. From the Windows Blog:

"Windows Phone 8 builds in Nokia mapping as part of the platform. Our partnership will provide more detailed maps and turn-by-turn directions in many countries, plus the ability to store maps offline on your phone so you can work with maps without a data connection."

Thjey said that Nokia Maps will replace the Windows Phone 7.x Maps in all devices.






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  Reply # 645625 25-Jun-2012 04:09 Send private message

teamsteve: As a web developer I really hope IE10 is coming as part of Windows Phone 7.8

But I'm not holding my breath for it :/


IE10 on an Adreno 205 GPU (current Lumia range)  may be pushing the boat out a bit far. But I hear what you're saying development wise. Firefox Beta runs like a dog on a 1Ghz CPU with a SGX540 GPU

Their is no indication IE10 will even be available on Windows Vista, probably a market thing more than anything on that one though.

I REALLY hope if there is going to be a 'common' kernel between all version of Windows 8, that the functionality goes with that.

One should be able to 'dock' a Windows Phone 8 on a 24"+ monitor, with keyboard and mouse and get a good desktop experience. It'd be sad if Metro on a Desktop PC has been rammed down our throat and yet the 'dock' experience of a phone sees no benefits from it.

I see the benefits of a common ecosystem (look/feel/functionality) on all platforms for branding,development and identity, but if it doesn't perform...

I'm guessing Android/ChomeOS, Android/Ubuntu will not let Microsoft have the whole pie without getting a slice and it'll be left to see if Microsoft is just left with the crumbs.

Mind you, with a mooted quad-core CPU and something close to an Adreno 320 GPU at least the hardware wont be seen lacking in Windows Phone 8 if released this year.

I see S4 quad core Soc list 802.11ac as a service on some variants .... Windows Phone 8 with 802.11ac???... Now that'd be something for show and tell.







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  Reply # 645969 25-Jun-2012 16:37 Send private message

You have a really odd perspective - suits your name.

Windows Phone has never competed on hardware specs - Windows Phone 8 is building in the ability to use crazy powerful devices (quad core etc etc) but that doesn't mean we are going to see an S3/OneX hardware equivalent. 

What does Windows Phone not do now that so badly needs a massive amount of power to fix?

Docks? We've seen them offered for Android devices - but they were, in general, severely limited. I don't need my phone to have the guts to drive a 24" display - I will have a Surface or Laptop for that. I don't need yet another custom form factor to bother with. If my phone can use DLNA to play content on a display (smart TV, PC etc) then great. A dedicated dock is basically a wasted screen when not in use. Why sell a dock when you are already selling a product in that form factor that syncs content between devices (Surface).

Windows Phone 8/Windows 8 is looking really good - common platform etc, scalability and the features to bring it to parity with the other platforms where it is lacking now.

But it doesn't look like a shift in marketing position - they are selling an ecosystem, not hardware. People buying Windows Phones (and for that case most phones) are by and large totally ignorant or uncaring about the hardware underneath. Outside of the dedicated phone geeks - purchasing decision is made based on a combination of peer pressure and look and feel. Make your product cool and the sweaty masses will buy it.



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  Reply # 645982 25-Jun-2012 16:49 Send private message

I see they announced NFC and SecureSIM support for Windows 8, do any of the other operators save 2degrees plan on rolling out (either type of) payment systems? I think the SecureSIM idea is better than NFC personally. I hope that is adopted here.

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  Reply # 646250 26-Jun-2012 10:42 Send private message

Good to see them using the full width of the screen, with no black column of nothingness below the arrow. Has the arrow been replaced with a tile, or will a sideswipe access the extra apps?

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  Reply # 646255 26-Jun-2012 10:49 Send private message

GregV: Good to see them using the full width of the screen, with no black column of nothingness below the arrow. Has the arrow been replaced with a tile, or will a sideswipe access the extra apps?


Sideswipe access like you do now. App list is still there but they mentioned new visual cues will be provided to let users know that 'something is there'.




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