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  Reply # 966499 13-Jan-2014 22:18 Send private message quote this post

Mine does not seem to have triggered yet, maybe the French phones have a different trigger date?

Edit: this is in reference to my N8 (as per previous page), not WP8

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  Reply # 975984 28-Jan-2014 15:25 2 people support this post Send private message quote this post

Well after coming to smart phones using android (Samsung) over the last 3 or 4 years and then changing to a Lumia 1020 last week I must admit that that first evening I was wondering if I had made a mistake.  A few days later I still notice the odd thing that had become ingrained in my 'actions' that I miss, or at least if feels like I miss but the reality is it is like any change and these moments decrease.

I was never interested in 'rooting' my phone or constantly fiddling round with set ups or new launchers or keyboards, I just wanted it to work.  My WP just works and it works well, and there are a number of features I prefer.  I think that there will be always areas of functionality where one OS is better than another but I think with updates those are diminishing till the differences just amount to different philosophies rather than deficiencies.

5 days in and a couple or resets just to start over afresh and I am happy with the decision to change.  I have totally departed from the Googlesphere and no longer have a Google account, and to date do not miss it nor have found anywhere I am at a disadvantage.

I am just finding (as I always felt) that Windows mobile, like Window OS just works and works (so far) well.

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  Reply # 976026 28-Jan-2014 16:22 Send private message quote this post

GeorgeNZ: Well after coming to smart phones using android (Samsung) over the last 3 or 4 years and then changing to a Lumia 1020 last week I must admit that that first evening I was wondering if I had made a mistake.  A few days later I still notice the odd thing that had become ingrained in my 'actions' that I miss, or at least if feels like I miss but the reality is it is like any change and these moments decrease.

I was never interested in 'rooting' my phone or constantly fiddling round with set ups or new launchers or keyboards, I just wanted it to work.  My WP just works and it works well, and there are a number of features I prefer.  I think that there will be always areas of functionality where one OS is better than another but I think with updates those are diminishing till the differences just amount to different philosophies rather than deficiencies.

5 days in and a couple or resets just to start over afresh and I am happy with the decision to change.  I have totally departed from the Googlesphere and no longer have a Google account, and to date do not miss it nor have found anywhere I am at a disadvantage.

I am just finding (as I always felt) that Windows mobile, like Window OS just works and works (so far) well.

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Good points. I dont use WP, and wont be as I use iOS but the points yiou make I can fully see, and as Microsoft and Nokia are big, I cannot see anything other than WP being big as well. Biggest or middlest or smallest of the big three I dunno but it will be significant

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  Reply # 976039 28-Jan-2014 16:33 Send private message quote this post

after using IOS, Android and of late testing a a low end WP8 phone I have made the switch to WP8 with a Nokia 925 




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  Reply # 976109 28-Jan-2014 18:06 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant

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  Reply # 976141 28-Jan-2014 19:13 Send private message quote this post

Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


there has been plenty of discussion on Android updates so I won't bring them up here its just the nature of Android which is used by more manufacturers than IOS and WP. If android has failed absolutely how come the android phones sold outnumber all teh rest, maybe its because most don't actually care about updates therefore nor do they care about IOS or WP updates




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  Reply # 976153 28-Jan-2014 19:26 Send private message quote this post

jeffnz:
Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


there has been plenty of discussion on Android updates so I won't bring them up here its just the nature of Android which is used by more manufacturers than IOS and WP. If android has failed absolutely how come the android phones sold outnumber all teh rest, maybe its because most don't actually care about updates therefore nor do they care about IOS or WP updates


Yep. Higher percentage of lower end phones the users just want to talk and text. If Google managed to get the manufacturers to use the same CPU/GPU/SOC chipsets that would help fragmentation a lot. That would remove most or all of the manufacturer holdup, and perhaps that would also allow Telcos an easier trip.

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  Reply # 976164 28-Jan-2014 19:36 Send private message quote this post

Android is a cheap-and-cheerful solution which has identified it's target market, and perhaps has indirectly stopped some from trying windows phones?

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  Reply # 976178 28-Jan-2014 19:49 Send private message quote this post

jeffnz:
Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


there has been plenty of discussion on Android updates so I won't bring them up here its just the nature of Android which is used by more manufacturers than IOS and WP. If android has failed absolutely how come the android phones sold outnumber all teh rest, maybe its because most don't actually care about updates therefore nor do they care about IOS or WP updates


I think you misread Abo's post. He didn't say that Android 'has failed absolutely'. He said that waiting for carriers/manufacturer to provide timely updates 'is proven to fail absolutely'.

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  Reply # 976181 28-Jan-2014 19:53 Send private message quote this post

Waiting for carriers for ALL updates is a fail. There are things that absolutely don't need the operator's input - adding a new provider for People Hub for example. Or adding a new notification system. These are the kind of things that shouldn't have anything to do with the operator. Radio stack, messaging, phone signaling yes, this should be approved but if they were smarter they would have these in different packages.




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  Reply # 976193 28-Jan-2014 20:09 Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:
jeffnz:
Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


there has been plenty of discussion on Android updates so I won't bring them up here its just the nature of Android which is used by more manufacturers than IOS and WP. If android has failed absolutely how come the android phones sold outnumber all teh rest, maybe its because most don't actually care about updates therefore nor do they care about IOS or WP updates


Yep. Higher percentage of lower end phones the users just want to talk and text. If Google managed to get the manufacturers to use the same CPU/GPU/SOC chipsets that would help fragmentation a lot. That would remove most or all of the manufacturer holdup, and perhaps that would also allow Telcos an easier trip.


actually Android dominates the top 10 smartphones and I would think the majority of  any level smartphones won't care about updates.




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  Reply # 976204 28-Jan-2014 20:20 Send private message quote this post

Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.




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  Reply # 976211 28-Jan-2014 20:31 Send private message quote this post

crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.


ok nit picking and off topic but using Google I can't find anywhere that says "the Nokia 520 is making a name for itself as the best just works option at the low end", or is that your interpretation.

It is certainly good value for money and of WP's the biggest seller, However unlike IOS it hasn't got a phone in top 10 phones so would think that they haven't quite got the phone right or maybe the marketing at that level, I'm sure that will change though. 




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  Reply # 976483 29-Jan-2014 09:52 Send private message quote this post

Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


This is a lot easier said than done. Carriers like to control what goes on their network.

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  Reply # 976485 29-Jan-2014 09:55 Send private message quote this post

nathan:
Abo: One thing that Microsoft/Nokia really needs to sort out is the system updates.

They need to start following the Google Nexus/iOS model of updating and make the system updates carrier independent so people get them faster. Good example is fragmentation of android - waiting for carriers/manufacturers is proven to fail absolutely.

Hopefully they start going down this path with the release of 8.1 otherwise it'll be getting too difficult to fix as google have found.

There's nothing worse than having to wait weeks after an update is actually released for carriers to cripple and add their bloatware to an image that doesn't need it. (like telecom does)

I'll probably end up getting the developer preview for 8.1 when it comes out otherwise I'll probably be waiting for months for the OTA from carrier.

/endrant


This is a lot easier said than done. Carriers like to control what goes on their network.


I'm not entirely sure that is true, I'm confident that they like to control the banding and perhaps default shortcuts, but what comes onto their network they are indifferent too, especially when you consider roaming, which is a giant cash cow and they are completely indifferent to the handsets accessing their network as long as it's generating revenue.

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