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  Reply # 438599 12-Feb-2011 14:53 Send private message

jfanning:
billgates: I read some of the comments on the nokia forum last night. Blind hate and thinking from some users there. Symbian is a dying platform. Nokia has tried various experiments with it. The sales just keep going down for Nokia every year. Nokia N97 was laughable. Nokia N8 was a disappointment too from the software perspective. Meego's development is way too slow.

Nokia had 2 options. WP7 or Android. With Android Nokia faced stiff compeitions from Shenezen based companies and would not have been able to differentiate much from other android OEM's.


I think it is due to WM7 lacking a lot of the basic features of Symbian, and those features will take a lot of time to add to WM7.  They have taken a massive backwards step which will take years to pay off.  That's not blind hate, it is a simple fact.


What features?

 




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  Reply # 438614 12-Feb-2011 15:59 Send private message

The main problem that I have business wise for apple android and symbian is that they don't have a central way to manage them from a company perspective.

The only two OS's that have delivered this option is Windows and Blackberry and this will give users a different hardware option to choose.

The problem with Blackberry is the fact all the data goes through Canada which some people/companies don't like for security reasons.

What other options are there?        

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  Reply # 438620 12-Feb-2011 16:18 Send private message

Data on blackberry phone's is encrypted incl BB messenger, emails, web browsing etc unless you are in Saudi Arabia or India. It's prob the top most secured smartphone available that a company can deploy without worrying too much about security.






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  Reply # 438621 12-Feb-2011 16:20 Send private message

Although if you are using an Exchange account with SSL required, your Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be as secure...





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  Reply # 438628 12-Feb-2011 16:35 Send private message

billgates: Data on blackberry phone's is encrypted incl BB messenger, emails, web browsing etc unless you are in Saudi Arabia or India. It's prob the top most secured smartphone available that a company can deploy without worrying too much about security.


Blackberry is good for encryption etc but it still run's through the servers in canada (Obama had this issue when he first entered office and did not want to give up his blackberry but they did a work around for him)

You can do the same with windows mobiles as well if you set it up correctly and still manage them centerally from your network with policys.
I am sure that the encryption that blackberrys use back to their servers is just a VPN of some sort. 
As far as I am aware there is no option to do this with apple android and symbian OS's.


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  Reply # 438634 12-Feb-2011 16:49 Send private message

freitasm:
What features?

 


copy/paste and multitasking are two that come up alot. 

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  Reply # 438635 12-Feb-2011 16:51 Send private message

freitasm: 

What features?

 


A few more according to Wikipedia...

Windows Phone 7 lacks some features that were found in earlier versions of Windows Mobile. Among the features that have been confirmed to arrive in the near-future include cut, copy, and paste,[65] full multitasking for 3rd party apps,[66] and Adobe Flash.[67] Windows Phone 7 supports upgradable storage via an SD Card; however SD card memory is merged with the phone's internal storage, and changing the SD card causes the phone to reset to factory settings.[68][69] Windows Phone 7 does not support connecting to Wi-Fi (wireless) access points which are hidden[70] or have a static IP address,[71] tethering to a computer[72] (although it can be done via a hack on the Samsung Focus[73]), videocalling,[74] VoIPcalling,[75] USB mass-storage,[76] universal email inbox,[76] universal search,[76] a system-wide file manager,[74] Bluetooth file transfers,[74] USSDmessages,[77] or custom ringtones.[78] 

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  Reply # 438636 12-Feb-2011 16:54 Send private message

Not standing up for Microsoft etc but it is only V1 and has alot ot catching up to do, Android has gone through alot to get to where it is now.
As one person I use to work for say, you don't roll anything out to the corperate until at least SP1.

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  Reply # 438637 12-Feb-2011 16:58 Send private message

jfanning:
freitasm:
What features?

 


copy/paste and multitasking are two that come up alot. 


Copy/Paste is coming in the first wp7 update which will be deployed in march. Already microsoft has released the updated sdk and emulator which has support for copy and paste.

WP7 has multitasking but it's first party multitasking. It also supports 'tombstoning' which saves the state of your app in the manner you left it at for first/3rd party apps just like iOS. What's missing is a task manager like iOS or Android. Hopefully the 2nd major update towards the end of this year will bring 3rd party multitasking support as well. IE9 mobile will also be deployed to wp7 before end of this year which will add flash and html5 support.




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  Reply # 438641 12-Feb-2011 17:12 Send private message

Like I said, features Symbian already had.  My symbian Nokia 7650 from 2002 supported multitasking.  The things that will be annoying a lot of historic Symbian users will be the unknown factor of when they will be getting these features they have had historically.  Well that and the fact that Nokia had already promised the developers a path to get out of the current issues Symbian was having and have now walked away from that promise.

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  Reply # 438643 12-Feb-2011 17:27 Send private message

I don't buy not being able to differentiate in the Android handset market being a legitimate argument. It would be easy for a company to differentiate themselves in the Android realm - release stock phones, or at the most make your custom UI a launcher application so it doesn't stand in the way of the speedy delivery of OS updates, guarantee updates for a certain period (or as long as the hardware can be compatible), allow Root access from within Settings if the user wants it, bring a phone with good quality optics to Android. Those things alone would work wonders for differentiating your brand of Android from others.




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  Reply # 438647 12-Feb-2011 17:42 Send private message

jfanning: Like I said, features Symbian already had.  My symbian Nokia 7650 from 2002 supported multitasking.  The things that will be annoying a lot of historic Symbian users will be the unknown factor of when they will be getting these features they have had historically.  Well that and the fact that Nokia had already promised the developers a path to get out of the current issues Symbian was having and have now walked away from that promise.


I owned a Nokia N95 which was my first smartphone. Then I bought a Windows mobile 6.5 device (hTC Touch Pro 2). Both of these even today still have more features than wp7, iOS and android. But they are crap. OS has more features and? Both were slow, laggy, UI was crap, no updates, no standard and what not.

iOS and Android also launched with way less features than symbian. Today symbian is struggling. Microsoft learned their lesson and came up with wp7 from scratch. Nokia has also learned their lesson and yesterday they fixed it.




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  Reply # 438649 12-Feb-2011 17:50 Send private message

NZtechfreak: I don't buy not being able to differentiate in the Android handset market being a legitimate argument. It would be easy for a company to differentiate themselves in the Android realm - release stock phones, or at the most make your custom UI a launcher application so it doesn't stand in the way of the speedy delivery of OS updates, guarantee updates for a certain period (or as long as the hardware can be compatible), allow Root access from within Settings if the user wants it, bring a phone with good quality optics to Android. Those things alone would work wonders for differentiating your brand of Android from others.


The decision made regarding android wasn't just about differentiating from other OEM's. It's also about Nokia's existing assets, products and services. They own NAVTEQ. How in the world or why in the world would any one use NAVTEQ on a nokia android handset when google maps with full GPS navigation is available for free. No ad-revenue for Nokia from android. They would not have been able to use their imaging services either.

With WP7, Nokia will be getting ad-revenue from bing and microsoft ad-center. They will also be sharing their NAVTEQ maps and integrate it with bing maps to bring full fledged navigation and their imagery service as well.

With android, Nokia would have been just another OEM. With WP7, Nokia will get to use and sell their existing products and services which will not clash with MS services. Also Android phone manufacturer's from China are selling handsets at very competitive price. Nokia most likely will use S40 OS for lower end market and WP7 for mid/high end market.




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  Reply # 438680 12-Feb-2011 20:36 Send private message

billgates:
I owned a Nokia N95 which was my first smartphone. Then I bought a Windows mobile 6.5 device (hTC Touch Pro 2). Both of these even today still have more features than wp7, iOS and android. But they are crap. OS has more features and? Both were slow, laggy, UI was crap, no updates, no standard and what not.

iOS and Android also launched with way less features than symbian. Today symbian is struggling. Microsoft learned their lesson and came up with wp7 from scratch. Nokia has also learned their lesson and yesterday they fixed it.


The N95 was released in 2007, you can't judge Symbian based on a four year old phone.  Windows Mobile 6.5 is still being sold, and based on my work HTC Snap, it is a terrible OS (and terrible hardware).  But the fact remains, neither of them are using the latest version of the OS, so neither of them can be used to judge the OS.

An update was just release for Symbian, yeah it was late, but it was still released, there were a number more to come, plus with Meego proposals, I still feel it would have been better to fix their internal problems than hand over the keys to a third party, especially one that has a terrible history when it comes to partners. 

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  Reply # 438682 12-Feb-2011 20:47 Send private message

I think Microsoft and Nokia have a fair chance of getting somewhere in the smartphone race going forward. Right now I think Windows Phone 7 has got the easiest to use product on the market - and sometime this year I expect Nokia to release a fairly decent handset with lots of cool stuff such as: Xbox gaming, a decent HTML5 browser, Native Microsoft Office, Copy+Paste, VOIP, solid business capabilities (incl the most reliable Exchange sync), some form of tethering or Wi-Fi hotspot and probably a whole bunch more.

Will likely write a blog post about my thoghts on this since there's a bit to think about other just what features Android, iPhone, Blackberry and Windows Phone deliver today. Clearly future smartphone history isn't written yet and I don't know who will be market leader long term, or even in 2 years time. That's anyone's guess but I'm picking Microsoft to pick up a spot of market share in that time.




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