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  Reply # 628635 21-May-2012 22:40 Send private message

jtbthatsme: I would imagine that the last sentence under that clause is their out as simply put it implies that the newer contract would be the valid one and as someone else stated there is most likely updated EULA with the DLC that you bought when you purchased the the digital version.


Nope, that clause is in the EULA that came with the digital version. EA hasn't sent a notice stating terms have changed. 

jtbthatsme:
Now if you were prevented from playing the original alone without the DLC as in the first one you bought now due to the forced upgrade to Origins (same happened to me when I bought Sims 3 for $10) I installed through EADM then it said a update was available changed then changed to Origins but then again if that's how it's got to be to play I will put up with it. I also use Steam occassionally with no issues.


That's exactly what has happened - I cannot reinstall the original game without accepting the update to Origin. Accepting the Origin update changes three key parts of the EULA I accepted, namely: can't resell, can't play without Origin staying on my PC, and can't sue.  Another thing that has changed, regardless of whether I accept Origin or not, is that if I don't use the game and let it login to EA servers regularly they can delete the game from my account after 24 months. According to EA, the only way to keep the game is to keep using it with regular online connection. 

jtbthatsme:

I do agree though that the good old days of buying a game and installing it was how it was done. Now more and more your needing some sort of bloatware store front like Origins and Steam to play (personally though I have no issue with either just would be good to install games without needing these).

You could look at getting a fixed / cracked exe for the game you have bought it so should be able to do it that way I'm not advocating downloading the game illegally but a cracked / fixed exe is a good way to save on having to install these and also helps save the need for the physical disk to be in the drive. I know it's not ideal to do it this way but like I said it will remove the need for Origins.


I didn't mind the "good old days" but it was a pain to have to play with discs in a drive and keeping track of serial numbers was not exactly user-friendly. It's great to have a ten-year-old game sitting in a box to dust every once in awhile but a damned nuisance if you wanted to play that old game only to find the serials missing.  Online activation was a step-forward in that respect. 



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  Reply # 628652 21-May-2012 23:10 Send private message

Ragnor: 
You mean the bad old days when you had to install from multiple disks, when you had to manually forward ports to get online multiplayer working, no integrated friends lists, achievements, automatic patching, voice chat etc etc.

Tongue Out

I think I have about 150 games in/via Steam now. Also using Origin for Mass Effect 3 and haven't had any problems with it. Have a few older games from GoG now too.

Can't quite understand why you guys hate the digital distribution platforms!


Nail on head. I don't play online games, preferring single-player, anti-social gaming. Don't care about achievements and am happy to keep chatting with friends to services designed specifically for that. Since I value my bandwidth I don't allow anything to automatically update, whether its my phone apps, Microsoft, Apple or whatever. I update when it suits me

I also don't like having apps forced on me. Whatever gets installed on my PC should be entirely up to me. This means there are some games I won't buy but I can live with that. 

Digital distribution in itself is fine by me. My problem comes in when the purchase of a digital version of a game makes the use of a third-party app mandatory. Or, if it adds DRM above and beyond that which comes with the boxed version. If a game cannot run without the additional software then I'm not interested. 

Good on people who are happy with Steam - I was just starting to come around to the idea of using it when they got hacked. The first time. I won't use Origin. The GOG downloader is just a downloader and I have no issues with it. It speeds up downloading then can be uninstalled or just sit there inactive until its used to download another game. 

One thing that intrigues me is how many Steam users (and users of others) backup their games to their local machines? Call me paranoid, but I don't trust online services that much. I like my discs and the knowledge that those games won't expire. 

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  Reply # 628685 22-May-2012 07:33 Send private message

So I take it installing from the download did not work? Or it worked but still prompted you to update to Origins?



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  Reply # 633291 31-May-2012 12:07 Send private message

sidefx: So I take it installing from the download did not work? Or it worked but still prompted you to update to Origins?


Nope, it started then threw up a window asking me to download the latest Origin client and wouldn't go any further. I tried again offline and it still wouldn't install. 

I won't be buying another Bioware game. 

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  Reply # 636214 5-Jun-2012 17:42 Send private message

FWIW - Even the retail version of Borderlands 2 will rely on Steam, for multiplayer at least - which is a big part of the game. It's easy enough to avoid EA games and hence Origin, as most of them are just cookie-cutter sequels which don't interest me, but there's a lot of very good stuff on Steam, although I think the system is pretty crappy, a lot of the content is pretty well locked into there unless you'd rather play the games on console.

Annoyingly, I created my Steam account a _long_ time ago, so now my login for it is an email address that has been out of use for some time and can't be changed no-way, no-how, purely cosmetic, but irritating.

Steams built-in "backup" system just Does. Not. Work. Well, more precisely, it backs up just fine, and it'll restore just fine, but it'll try and redownload the entire game that you've just "restored" any way, it's a complete waste of time, and the fact that they can't get such a simple feature to work makes me worry about the greater service. So my 7GB backup of Borderlands from the hard-drive that I'd just reformatted had to be completely redownloaded despite having a "valid" backup on an external USB drive. Not amused.

The only _reliable_ way to have a local backup of your games is to archive the Steamdata folder from your Program Files directory, which is pretty gumby.

Given that the price of games on Steam and the physical copies are essentially the same price (which is stupid) - I'll just buy the physical copies whenever possible instead. Particularly when the price is usually a fair bit cheaper from nzgameshop.com, albeit with a couple of week delay instead of a few hours download.




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  Reply # 636416 5-Jun-2012 22:30 Send private message

stevenz:

Steams built-in "backup" system just Does. Not. Work. Well, more precisely, it backs up just fine, and it'll restore just fine, but it'll try and redownload the entire game that you've just "restored" any way, it's a complete waste of time, and the fact that they can't get such a simple feature to work makes me worry about the greater service. So my 7GB backup of Borderlands from the hard-drive that I'd just reformatted had to be completely redownloaded despite having a "valid" backup on an external USB drive. Not amused.



Did you check if it actually downloaded the datra, or just said it did? I've never really used the backups feature , but I've done things like copy warez installs of games into the steamapps folder, and then tell it to "download" the game. It told me it downloaded every last bit of it, but the actual data transfer was a few hundred mb out of games that are often 5-15gb.



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  Reply # 636419 5-Jun-2012 22:41

I've used Steam's backup option extensively this weekend, and generally it works OK.  It does have a tendency to fail on multiple game backups, though, and occasionally the restore fails (although verifying cache files mostly fixes this problem).  That being said, it's probably easier to just backup the SteamApps folder...



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  Reply # 636438 6-Jun-2012 00:03 Send private message

stevenz: 
Given that the price of games on Steam and the physical copies are essentially the same price (which is stupid) - I'll just buy the physical copies whenever possible instead. Particularly when the price is usually a fair bit cheaper from nzgameshop.com, albeit with a couple of week delay instead of a few hours download.


Physical copies don't necessarily get you around this problem. Take The Elder Scrolls; Skyrim for example - I bought the physical disks. While Steam says how to install from disk their FAQ neglects to say that the disk doesn't contain the entire game. 5Gb download later, the game is fully installed. 

EA's Bioware Dragon Age: Origins was the same - install from disk then do a large download before you can play. Unlike Steam though, at least that game didn't require installing a 3rd party client just to get the whole game. 

Basically, if any physical disk states it needs Origin, Steam, or any other DRM/online content manager to run gamers are being held to ransom. 

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  Reply # 637005 6-Jun-2012 22:00 Send private message

Elpie:
stevenz: 
Given that the price of games on Steam and the physical copies are essentially the same price (which is stupid) - I'll just buy the physical copies whenever possible instead. Particularly when the price is usually a fair bit cheaper from nzgameshop.com, albeit with a couple of week delay instead of a few hours download.


Physical copies don't necessarily get you around this problem. Take The Elder Scrolls; Skyrim for example - I bought the physical disks. While Steam says how to install from disk their FAQ neglects to say that the disk doesn't contain the entire game. 5Gb download later, the game is fully installed. 

EA's Bioware Dragon Age: Origins was the same - install from disk then do a large download before you can play. Unlike Steam though, at least that game didn't require installing a 3rd party client just to get the whole game. 

Basically, if any physical disk states it needs Origin, Steam, or any other DRM/online content manager to run gamers are being held to ransom. 


The disk does contain the entire game it's just every now and again Steam has a bit of a hiccup.

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  Reply # 637116 7-Jun-2012 08:51 Send private message

Personally, my hatred for Steam stems from the fact that Offline Mode does... not... work. When my internet connection dies (which it does a lot - Chorus breaks it every time they show up on my driveway) not once has "Start in offline mode" resulted in my games being playable, every single time that button simply results in "Cannot connect to the Steam network" and all my games being unplayable. Origin is just as bad, with the added bonus that games never have a good sale on (I just saw an article this morning that the guy in charge of Origin thinks that Steam sales cheapen intellectual property, so don't ever expect those sorts of sales on Origin). I used to tolerate Impulse back when Stardock ran it because I trusted the company and the client was only required to download the games, but then they sold it to Gamestop and that I cannot abide so I don't use that either.

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