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  Reply # 651986 6-Jul-2012 16:43 Send private message

BigGuy:
Zeon: Yea true that. I have a number of business customers wanting it now but their ISP simply isn't ready. I don't want to push it either as I would prefer the ISPs have their systems well tested and designed before switching customers over.

I know I'm very ignorant on the subject (so forgive my question), but why would an ISP not be ready?
I would have thought that most ISP's will have upgraded their core networking by now to accommodate the foreseen uptake.
Any accounting systems, you would hope are flexible enough to accommodate the new connectivity.


There is a huge amount of work required for ISP's - starting with agreements with each LFC, handover links to each LFC, provisioning systems for customers, possible changes in the way customers are handled (ie what authentication to use), and more importantly the fact an ISP needs a VoIP offering to deliver voice services. For Telecom in particular this means the full deployment of their NEAX linecard solution.

From what I've heard lately we'll probably have a couple of the bigger players launch products into the market in the next 3 months or so, and a lot more by Xmas.




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  Reply # 651997 6-Jul-2012 17:08 Send private message

Lias:
sbiddle:
BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?


Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.


Which is kind of retarded.. Uptake from those groups have proven to be pathetically low, and there are plenty of geeky residential customers screaming out for it. 


Lets look at this another way, how many small business are from home in NZ?
Statistics show that 96916 "Enterprises" of size 1-5 people, registered in 2011.  How many of those are operated from home?  I bet a good portion of them.

People way smarter than me have no doubt poured over the stats and come up with their recommendation of who should be first connected.  But while they look after the schools initially (to which I definitely have no objection to BTW), what about the potential income from those that run their business from home?

The government is all about the small business with UFB right?  Helping gain access to that global market!
Now lets revisit the comment, "residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout".  I say why not?



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  Reply # 651998 6-Jul-2012 17:09 Send private message

sbiddle:
BigGuy:
My understanding is that the government gives Chorus (in this instance) X amount of dollars for every household passed, payable on completion of the area (correct me if I'm wrong).



This isn't the case with Chorus or Enable, but is the case with other LCF's.


Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.

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  Reply # 652001 6-Jul-2012 17:19 Send private message

Lias:
sbiddle:
BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?


Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.


Which is kind of retarded.. Uptake from those groups have proven to be pathetically low, and there are plenty of geeky residential customers screaming out for it. 


Maybe, but I bet they  aren't all in the same suburb,  which is what you would need for a fast FTTH rollout to make good commercial sense.

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  Reply # 652066 6-Jul-2012 19:33 Send private message

BigGuy:
cyril7: Working with Schools nationwide on this matter, and its a very hot topic and in past couple of months has seen major uptake.

Cyril

If you can divulge the information Cyril, what has been the issue with the schools?  Cost of initial connection or subscription cost (or something else)?


Hi the comment was in response to Lias's comment, implying that Schools, Business and Medical centres are retarded in their interest in higher fibre speeds. This is quite simply incorrect wrt to schools, they have been crying out for a speed lift for sometime, the prices offered by the UFB makes it a no brainer for them to move, so they are.

In Rural areas via the RBI this is not quite the same as there are still pricing issues to be resolved, but overall even with high prices rural schools that have had fibre delivered are diving in boots and all because any other option is still not up to snup (sic).

Cyril

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  Reply # 653002 9-Jul-2012 15:49 Send private message

My Fibre install details here for those that are interested

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=65&topicid=105730





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  Reply # 653026 9-Jul-2012 16:25 Send private message

cyril7: 

Hi the comment was in response to Lias's comment, implying that Schools, Business and Medical centres are retarded in their interest in higher fibre speeds. This is quite simply incorrect wrt to schools, they have been crying out for a speed lift for sometime, the prices offered by the UFB makes it a no brainer for them to move, so they are.

In Rural areas via the RBI this is not quite the same as there are still pricing issues to be resolved, but overall even with high prices rural schools that have had fibre delivered are diving in boots and all because any other option is still not up to snup (sic).

Cyril


FWIW I wasn't suggesting that the schools etc were retarded, but that the chorus/government decision to prioritise them over residential customers who are screaming for it was retarded.

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  Reply # 653036 9-Jul-2012 16:45 Send private message

Lias:
cyril7: 

Hi the comment was in response to Lias's comment, implying that Schools, Business and Medical centres are retarded in their interest in higher fibre speeds. This is quite simply incorrect wrt to schools, they have been crying out for a speed lift for sometime, the prices offered by the UFB makes it a no brainer for them to move, so they are.

In Rural areas via the RBI this is not quite the same as there are still pricing issues to be resolved, but overall even with high prices rural schools that have had fibre delivered are diving in boots and all because any other option is still not up to snup (sic).

Cyril


FWIW I wasn't suggesting that the schools etc were retarded, but that the chorus/government decision to prioritise them over residential customers who are screaming for it was retarded.


Chorus have nothing to do with this. CFH set the policy, and that policy was to install fibre to businesses, health centres, marae and schools as the initial goal. Nothing has changed in that respect.



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  Reply # 653094 9-Jul-2012 17:51 Send private message

Residents may scream for it, but business is paying for it and will improve the economy. Residents just piggy-back off what is required for business.




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