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Topic # 109436 19-Sep-2012 19:02 Send private message

I am in the process of facilitating the set-up of a computer booking system at my local sports club.  As part of it we are getting some wiring done and getting adsl2 (currently on dial-up).

The booking system is located in the foyer and runs off a Wyse thin client that must be connected to the router via ethernet cable (ie no wireless allowed).  There is an existing phone jack in the foyer.

Problem is, the ideal place for the (wireless) router to be placed is in the bar area which is a few concrete block walls away and on a different floor from the foyer. There is an existing phone jack in the bar also.

Any way to have two routers on the same adsl connection?   Can we use a wired AP and a router?

Any ideas?

Safe to assume the following: 
- Can't connect the booking system (foyer) to the router in the bar via ethernet cable.
- Wireless access for the bar wont work if the router is in the foyer.

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  Reply # 688409 19-Sep-2012 20:12 Send private message

You do seem to have a problem! It may help to clear up some concepts and terms, though.

You need to bring in the ADSL modem and separate that logically from the local network. "Any way to have two routers on the same adsl connection?", indicates either real, or at least, semantic confusion.

The bar area is likely the best place for the ADSL modem/wireless router. The wireless won't work to the Foyer but it may be useful for other connections on the bar level.

So, now we have a router with ethernet sockets on it in the bar, and a terminal with an ethernet socket on it in the foyer, and nothing to connect them!

You might like to investigate a LAN over power solution (unit with ethernet socket plugs into the mains in the bar and the foyer). That may well get the terminal connected to the bar router.

Let's hear from others, though, but I can't see that anything else is available to bridge the gap as wireless signals will likely be weak through block walls and up a floor.



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  Reply # 688421 19-Sep-2012 20:31 Send private message

linw: You do seem to have a problem! It may help to clear up some concepts and terms, though.

You need to bring in the ADSL modem and separate that logically from the local network. "Any way to have two routers on the same adsl connection?", indicates either real, or at least, semantic confusion.


yes, probably.  I have never totally understood the difference

linw:The bar area is likely the best place for the ADSL modem/wireless router. The wireless won't work to the Foyer but it may be useful for other connections on the bar level.


yes, def want ADSL modem/wireless router in the bar.  Allows patrons etc to have wireless access in ipads etc

linw: You might like to investigate a LAN over power solution (unit with ethernet socket plugs into the mains in the bar and the foyer). That may well get the terminal connected to the bar router.


LAN over power may be tricky as there are a gym and a swimming pool all in the same complex using the same electrical wiring and it is very messy.

linw:Let's hear from others, though, but I can't see that anything else is available to bridge the gap as wireless signals will likely be weak through block walls and up a floor.
 

If the only option is to cable between the ADSL modem/wireless router in the bar and the Wsye thin client in the foyer then we will have to do that. The cable will be approx 15-20m though.  Is that too long?




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  Reply # 688442 19-Sep-2012 21:03 Send private message

Not too long at all - Cat5e can do 100m+ comfortably. Only potential challenge with this would be routing the cable between the two locations

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  Reply # 688512 20-Sep-2012 00:49 Send private message

If you have point (A) -the bar- and point (B) -the foyer- you can either connect them with a wire or wirelessly.

If I understand correctly you are saying that the bar and foyer are separated by walls etc and the wireless signal between the two points is no good. This takes away the option of connecting the bar and foyer wirelessly, so you need a wire connecting the two devices. You have excluded the Ethernet over powerline option so that leaves us with a network cable.

Ask the guy doing the cabling how much to run some Cat5e between the bar and foyer. He will install a jackpoint at each location with a cable between. You will then be able to plugin a wifi "router" at each end using a cat5e patch cable to the jackpoint (I say "router" because I think you want the wifi router just to provide wireless access on the same LAN, I don't think you need to route between two separate LANs?).

One location will have the ADSL jack point (whichever is most convenient), plug your ADSL modem into that. Then connect the ADSL modem to the wifi router with a cat5e patch cable and once properly configured, both ends will have internet.

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  Reply # 689753 22-Sep-2012 00:30 Send private message

Can I suggest that you are gooing about it as if there was only a patch cable connecting things. You would be better to find a location for a distribution point that all devices get wired back to, which would house your router and any phone system. This is often consolidated into a cabinet to house them properly. When you have a few cables running to this cabinet they will generally be all going to a patch panel so you can easily move or change what each phone/data outlet is connected to.

So computers and phones at the bar, foyer and anywhere else get a cable running into that distribution point, and so does the wireless AP. Each location gets an outlet with a jack that you connect a short patch cable or phone lead into, depending on what you need. The cat5e guy could recommend how far you should take this concept in your situation, but ask him whether structured cabling is worthwhile.




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