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Topic # 113960 3-Feb-2013 07:19 Send private message

Basically finished installing my master splitter, dsl jackpoint is located downstairs under my room.
Now my adsl modem / wifi router is downstairs and wifi upstairs is suffering greatly.

If your asking why I didnt get my adsl jack installed upstairs,
too many complications and this was the easiest and cleanest route to take.

I am using ethernet over power to get a connection to my desktop computer in my room.
However, my family members are using wifi devices so u can see how their signal and speeds are affected
since the router is downstairs.

I tried using my old wag120n plugged into the ethernet over power which would usually connect
to my desktop pc. Seemed to work okay at first, but when everyone jumps on their devices it seems my speeds were
affected greatly.

 

Any other suggestions ?

Current equipment being used:

Tp- link TD-W8960N (downstairs on dsl jack)

TP-Link TL-PA211-KIT (used to get ethernet from downstairs modem to upstairs computer)

Wagn120n ( possible wifi router upstiars, but issues with performance)




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  Reply # 754937 3-Feb-2013 08:49 Send private message

I've seen great results with a Pringles can or cardboard/tinfoil reflector! No im not joking. You could see if your router has a removable antenna and install a better one.

There are always the big ethernet antennas such as the ubiquity bullet which plugs in to an ethernet port. Your best option is probably to get a replacement antenna or a.seperate one you can run upstairs on a cable if that is an option.

I would be referencing with links, but im on my phone and it's not tab or spelling friendly. Sorry :D





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  Reply # 754946 3-Feb-2013 09:17 Send private message

Wifi sees a stairwell as a wall as thick as the stairwell. Any options to relocate the modem enough so that the stairwell is less in line of sight between itself and the affected users

Or an access point upstairs away from the stairwell, to service the upstairs users

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  Reply # 754948 3-Feb-2013 09:20 Send private message

There are always wireless extenders. The Netgear HD kit is an old one, there are new versions available around. You will have to spend some money if you want quality though.




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  Reply # 754953 3-Feb-2013 09:27 Send private message

If you already have ethernet over power in place then just get a basic access point, plug it in upstairs and be done with it. Tp-link must do a cheap AP with a built in switch so that your deaktop still gets a wired connection. Its never fun trying to configure a router as an access point and as you say the wag120n is fairly lack lustre in wifi performance.

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  Reply # 754974 3-Feb-2013 10:21 Send private message

Whilst the wag is a bit of a dog they are not that bad. Have you checked the channel plan of your two AP's, are you sure your EOP gear is not falling over, personally I avoid EOP its to variable.

You cannot beat a basic cat5e run as a backbone.

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  Reply # 754991 3-Feb-2013 11:02 Send private message

DravidDavid: I've seen great results with a Pringles can or cardboard/tinfoil reflector! No im not joking. You could see if your router has a removable antenna and install a better one.

There are always the big ethernet antennas such as the ubiquity bullet which plugs in to an ethernet port. Your best option is probably to get a replacement antenna or a.seperate one you can run upstairs on a cable if that is an option.

I would be referencing with links, but im on my phone and it's not tab or spelling friendly. Sorry :D


Wow haha, never thought of that. But I dont think my mum would appreciate somethign messy like that.
thanks anyway though :)


tdgeek:Wifi sees a stairwell as a wall as thick as the stairwell. Any options to relocate the modem enough so that the stairwell is less in line of sight between itself and the affected users

Or an access point upstairs away from the stairwell, to service the upstairs users


Not possible, all the jacks down stairs are covered by the ceiling, nothing with an open space. :/

freitasm: There are always wireless extenders. The Netgear HD kit is an old one, there are new versions available around. You will have to spend some money if you want quality though.


Thanks this might be a good alternative, might end up a bit costly though.

chevrolux: If you already have ethernet over power in place then just get a basic access point, plug it in upstairs and be done with it. Tp-link must do a cheap AP with a built in switch so that your deaktop still gets a wired connection. Its never fun trying to configure a router as an access point and as you say the wag120n is fairly lack lustre in wifi performance.


yeah il have a look into a AP, the wag doesnt perfom well !

cyril7:Whilst the wag is a bit of a dog they are not that bad. Have you checked the channel plan of your two AP's, are you sure your EOP gear is not falling over, personally I avoid EOP its to variable.

You cannot beat a basic cat5e run as a backbone.

Cyril


I would love to run a cat5e, unfortunately no provisioning in a fairly new house to do so.




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  Reply # 755000 3-Feb-2013 11:36 Send private message

Hi I live in a 5 story town house, with no obvious way to run a cable, a inconspicuous 20mm conduit brings a cat6 backbone to 3 floors, just a couple of hours work.

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  Reply # 755003 3-Feb-2013 11:46 Send private message

cyril7: Hi I live in a 5 story town house, with no obvious way to run a cable, a inconspicuous 20mm conduit brings a cat6 backbone to 3 floors, just a couple of hours work.

Cyril


Hi Cyril,

Any idea how much this would cost to setup ?

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  Reply # 755041 3-Feb-2013 12:59 Send private message

You have probably already tried this: But have you turned the antennas on the router down so they are horizontal not pointing straight up? By default, when an omni antenna is placed vertically (assuming it's vertically polarised), the gain is usually in a more narrow horizontal beam. Putting the antennas on their their side instead up upright will help direct that added gain upstairs instead of across downstairs.

Sounds like you need a repeater upstairs though. A more powerful AP might not help anything since the devices upstairs maybe struggling to get a signal back downstairs. In saying that, I have 1.6W AP 3 metres up on top of my roof, very directional (works KM's away), but the signal still works through the tin roof and pinex ceiling where my iPod is (about 9 metres below). But inside powerful AP's aren't too expensive these days:

http://www.gowifi.co.nz/access-points-802.11/indoor-wireless-access-points/mikrotik-routerboard-rb751u-2hnd-high-power-wireless-router.html

I haven't tried ethernet over power, I thought about it once along with the MoCA stuff (ethernet over coax rg6).

I don't recall the model number I saw last week, however TP-Link make a universal WiFi repeater. But you would be better off putting another AP on different channel upstairs wired to the one downstairs to give you more bandwidth than a repeater would.


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  Reply # 755058 3-Feb-2013 13:39 Send private message

Hi, until recently I did cabling for a few years, so it cost me nothing, but materials, probably around $100-150 for conduit, junction boxs, cable, faceplates keystones, etc and probably 4-5hrs time, so another say another $300, so $500 tops, and well worth it.

That is for say 3 floors, would be around hafl for just one run but depends on how accessible the side of the house is.





Here it is, you can see I did not use T boxs(but just single port boxs which I extended) as it was done in stages as our need moved, but regardless there is now a cat6 run to each floor from the lowest floor where the modem is (and my office), next floor up is the kids rooms, and the mid floor is the main living area where there is a 2nd Wireless router setup as just an AP so provides wired services to the lounge/dinning PC and the main TV plus wireless to the two upper levels, the next level above that (which you cannot see top end of) is the master bedroom. This wall is the back of the house so not in full view, and many other external run services are, ie gas (which can be seen) waste and soil pipes which are above the camera.

Cyril





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  Reply # 755193 3-Feb-2013 19:35 Send private message

Thanks Cyril and Kiwirock , lot of informative information.
Lots to consider !

Cheers :)




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