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Topic # 103064 30-May-2012 00:41 Send private message

Hi All

Anyone know how many amps a typical 2 cup 12v mini kettle draws?
Am thinking of the $20 ones from super cheap auto - but i think my multimeter only goes up to 10amps so not sure if want to measure one myself.

My dog has decided he doesnt want to come inside to sleep this winter - so i am going to make him a small heater. I thought about those electric blankets for dog kennels you can buy on trademe, but they are only 15 watts and i dont want to run 240 volts outside to it.

I figure if a single bed electric blanket is 60 watts, then for his kennel i would want around 25 watts over half the area.

Temperature outside as i write this is 7 degrees and going to drop to 2 degrees, so it needs to do more than what an indoor electric blanket typically does.

Hes getting old, and shivering when i go to try and get him to come inside so i have been taking out some hot water bottles for him each night but they wont be lasting very long. He also likes to chew on things, so even though i thickly wrap the bottles, he will eventually burst one any night now.

So my idea:

An electric oil heater concept but on its side

I am going to make a wooden box to sit on the floor of the kennel with some foam insulation on the bottom - polystyrene and that expanding filler foam in a bottle that you spray into walls.

Also inside the box will be a closed metal container of water with an element from a 12v electric jug, connected to a 40 or 50 degree thermo switch - so it doesnt do any boiling. It just keeps the water warm.

With a bunch of blankets on top it should be nice and cosy for him to sleep on.

Your thoughts?
If the 12v kettle element uses less than 10 amps then i am happy to run 12v out to it using tps house wire.  








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  Reply # 632369 30-May-2012 07:14 Send private message

Google nz for 12v heating pad. I like your idea but too many possible points of failure imho.

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  Reply # 632382 30-May-2012 07:56 Send private message

And possible points of fire?  Laughing

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  Reply # 632409 30-May-2012 08:53 Send private message

Two things:
1) Underfloor heating for dog kennel - great idea, but you'd want to be very, very sure of your engineering. Nothing worse than waking up to a boiled dog in the morning.

2) Who's the boss? Tell the furbag to sleep indoors!

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  Reply # 632712 30-May-2012 16:26 Send private message

Incandescent Light-bulb in a dog house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFllZRSn41M

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  Reply # 632757 30-May-2012 17:29 Send private message

Wouldn't it be easier / safer just to insulate the dog kennel?

I realise that a lot of heat will be lost out of the door, but you can build a walled area inside the kennel that helps with that.

Like this (top down view):

Door -->
|--------------------------- ----|
| | |
| | |
| | |
| Where the dog | | sleeps | wall |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| | door |
| |
|----------------------------------------------|


If you insulate all the walls, then it will stay quite warm with the dogs body heat.



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  Reply # 632758 30-May-2012 17:29 Send private message

Azzura: Incandescent Light-bulb in a dog house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFllZRSn41M


Looked at those - decided i dont like the idea of heat lamps because they waste too much energy.




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  Reply # 632759 30-May-2012 17:30 Send private message

Well that didn't work, I'll upload a pic of what I mean.



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  Reply # 632760 30-May-2012 17:32 Send private message

BlueShift: Two things:
1) Underfloor heating for dog kennel - great idea, but you'd want to be very, very sure of your engineering. Nothing worse than waking up to a boiled dog in the morning.

2) Who's the boss? Tell the furbag to sleep indoors!


Twin temperature cutoff switches at 50 degrees (on again at 40) or so mean the water would never boil

He is quite clearly the boss
Hes never liked sleeping inside and if i force him inside, he will not let me sleep, or he will start annoying the cats. So this winter i decided if he wants to sleep outside then i wont feel guilty for letting him if i am keeping his kennel warm on a frosty morning.





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  Reply # 632761 30-May-2012 17:32 Send private message

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7259/doggypalace.jpg



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  Reply # 632771 30-May-2012 17:49 Send private message

Anyhow a project update -

I have decided to avoid the water altogether and found some flexible 240v 80 watt heating elements on trademe. I am going to buy one and see what happens when i run 19v through it with a 120 watt laptop power supply.

I can half the size of the wooden box to make more it like a flat panel, and still keep some airspace inside it for the temperature sensors




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  Reply # 632792 30-May-2012 18:19 Send private message

raytaylor:
Azzura: Incandescent Light-bulb in a dog house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFllZRSn41M


Looked at those - decided i dont like the idea of heat lamps because they waste too much energy.


A 20watt or 40watt...60watt Incandescent Light-bulb is cheaper to run. Incandescent Light-bulb is not a heat a lamp. Its all about watts that reflects the cost of running a heat source. Unless your talking heatpump.

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  Reply # 632797 30-May-2012 18:24 Send private message

I think that just putting in a few old laptop power bricks would generate heaps of heat and would only need a small load on each one (A USB powered coffee warmer?).

An RCD would be required for running the AC out to there.
As for lights heating then some halogen 12v would be good, they run pretty hot and are very low powered.
They could be under the base, so the light won't be a worry and would be good little heaters.



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  Reply # 632799 30-May-2012 18:25 Send private message

Azzura:
raytaylor:
Azzura: Incandescent Light-bulb in a dog house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFllZRSn41M


Looked at those - decided i dont like the idea of heat lamps because they waste too much energy.


A 20watt or 40watt...60watt Incandescent Light-bulb is cheaper to run. Incandescent Light-bulb is not a heat a lamp. Its all about watts that reflects the cost of running a heat source. Unless your talking heatpump.


Sorry im on a terminal server and cant watch your video right now - will have a look later.
The watts i dont mind - as long as its less than 100 watts i am happy. The other reason I just dont want a light source in there so it doesnt fill up with moths and bugs at night. I have seen they sell those light boxes that you install on the side of the kennel which i cant because its moulded plastic so no heat on the walls.




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  Reply # 632891 30-May-2012 20:49 Send private message

raytaylor:
Azzura:
raytaylor:
Azzura: Incandescent Light-bulb in a dog house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFllZRSn41M


Looked at those - decided i dont like the idea of heat lamps because they waste too much energy.


A 20watt or 40watt...60watt Incandescent Light-bulb is cheaper to run. Incandescent Light-bulb is not a heat a lamp. Its all about watts that reflects the cost of running a heat source. Unless your talking heatpump.


Sorry im on a terminal server and cant watch your video right now - will have a look later.
The watts i dont mind - as long as its less than 100 watts i am happy. The other reason I just dont want a light source in there so it doesnt fill up with moths and bugs at night. I have seen they sell those light boxes that you install on the side of the kennel which i cant because its moulded plastic so no heat on the walls.


If a person went with the light bulb and worried about bugs...they could use one of those yellow bug light bulbs?

 

What kind of dog is this all for?



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  Reply # 632939 30-May-2012 22:00 Send private message

Im going to say to imagine a Jack Russel

He is actually 1/4 Jack Russel, 1/4 Corgi, 1/4 Dashund. 1/4 Chiuwawa




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