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  Reply # 705506 24-Oct-2012 09:19 Send private message

at the base price of $479 , i would still get the Kindle fire, $200 cheaper and it does basically  the same thing.

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  Reply # 705509 24-Oct-2012 09:23 Send private message

What I find funny is the "old" Ipad 3 is sort of being treated like a B@stard child,

I mean, the iPad 2 is going to continue to be advertised and sold, but the 3 is to be quietly shunned and replaced by the 4,

From a supply chain point of view it will be interesting to see what internal changes were made in the 4,

Was the 3 just a stop gap measure until they were able to source enough supplies of the new lightning connector?

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  Reply # 705540 24-Oct-2012 10:27 Send private message

tonyhughes: How does the upgrade to the ipad make your existing one worse than it was?

Terrible Apple for continuing to release new products??

I have an ipad 2 and the release of three subsequent ipad models has not affected my ipad one little bit.

If you are upset at company's releasing new models with any frequency at all, then you probably need to take a close look at how business and technology actually work.

I'm very happy with the functionality of my iPad 3 right now. It does everything that I want it to do very well, and it certainly won't change based on the release of the iPad 4. I actually prefer my jail broken iPad 3 on iOS 5.1.1 than a stock iOS 6.

When we look back at almost every refresh of every iOS device in the history of the company, we can see that there is a yearly update cycle for the iOS product mix. This repitition allows for people to prepare for the upcoming refresh; some people may want to sell their device before the refresh while they can receive a relative price for what the technology is actually worth. Knowing this cycle makes consumers aware of when to buy, and when not to buy, an iOS device. This ensures they wont be stung by the introduction of an updated product, decreasing the resale value of their recently purchased device overnight, and also hurting the relationship between consumers in this position and the company. To update a product in the middle of its 'traditional' cycle means that some people, who are fully awear of this cycle, will have purchased an iPad 3 maybe 1-2 months ago, and felt secure that their premium dollar investment would secure them the best iPad available for no more than half a year to go. The resale value of that iPad they just purchased (mine included) just dropped $200+ dollars due to the introduction of the iPad 4.

It is quite uncharacteristic for Apple to update a product halfway during its perceived life cycle. I think that's where most owners of iPad 3's will feel hurt after this announcement since it is very unexpected.




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  Reply # 705549 24-Oct-2012 10:44 Send private message

Sounds like the perfect apple consumer right there. Have a need and pick a product to satisfy those requirements, and then it doesn't matter what other products they bring out down the line. It costs big dollars to constantly have the latest product, probably far more than you'd need to pay to satisfy the initial requirement for having that type of device in the first place.

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  Reply # 705555 24-Oct-2012 10:51 Send private message

Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

Jon

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  Reply # 705563 24-Oct-2012 11:02 Send private message

jonherries: Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

Jon


Don't forget build quality. The Verge had this to say:

Like most Apple products, the build of the smaller tablet is excellent, easily surpassing the competition on the market. By comparison, the Nexus 7 and Fire HD feel like toys. Other manufacturers are going to have to up their game with this product in town. It's just a striking difference in materials and solidness.

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  Reply # 705579 24-Oct-2012 11:16 Send private message

Behodar: iPad mini, Mac mini, new 13" MacBook Pro, iTunes 11, availability of new 21.5" iMac, and announcement of new 27" iMac.

Edit: Updated :)

Well, I'm surprised that we didn't get iTunes 11 today and I wasn't quite right about the iMacs since both were announced but are not yet available. I like the look of this Fusion Drive feature and wonder how hard it'll be to "hack" it onto my current SSD+HDD system :P

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  Reply # 705624 24-Oct-2012 12:06 Send private message

Benjip:
jonherries: Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

Jon


Don't forget build quality. The Verge had this to say:

Like most Apple products, the build of the smaller tablet is excellent, easily surpassing the competition on the market. By comparison, the Nexus 7 and Fire HD feel like toys. Other manufacturers are going to have to up their game with this product in town. It's just a striking difference in materials and solidness.


Yes I see your point in terms of durability which I think is a bigger issue than geeks might appreciate.

My wife wants a tablet for reading books and surfing the net and doing her email, and it is likely that she will only end up replacing it if it breaks, unlike us.

Therefore, if the ipad mini is going to last significantly longer it is probably the better choice, at the price differential and on longevity alone the meeting point in terms of how much longer the ipad mini needs to last about 20% longer than the Nexus. Which if you assume a 24 month life for a nexus is 28 months for the ipad.

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  Reply # 705636 24-Oct-2012 12:20 Send private message

jonherries:
Benjip:
jonherries: Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

Jon


Don't forget build quality. The Verge had this to say:

Like most Apple products, the build of the smaller tablet is excellent, easily surpassing the competition on the market. By comparison, the Nexus 7 and Fire HD feel like toys. Other manufacturers are going to have to up their game with this product in town. It's just a striking difference in materials and solidness.


Yes I see your point in terms of durability which I think is a bigger issue than geeks might appreciate.

My wife wants a tablet for reading books and surfing the net and doing her email, and it is likely that she will only end up replacing it if it breaks, unlike us.

Therefore, if the ipad mini is going to last significantly longer it is probably the better choice, at the price differential and on longevity alone the meeting point in terms of how much longer the ipad mini needs to last about 20% longer than the Nexus. Which if you assume a 24 month life for a nexus is 28 months for the ipad.

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it doesnt matter about build quality to most apple buyers , in 6 months -year, apple will bring out its new model and everyone it seems will buy it because its new,  so  im not sure build quality is that important that you would pay $200 more than  the kindle.

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  Reply # 705641 24-Oct-2012 12:30 Send private message

vexxxboy:
jonherries:
Benjip:
jonherries: Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

Jon


Don't forget build quality. The Verge had this to say:

Like most Apple products, the build of the smaller tablet is excellent, easily surpassing the competition on the market. By comparison, the Nexus 7 and Fire HD feel like toys. Other manufacturers are going to have to up their game with this product in town. It's just a striking difference in materials and solidness.


Yes I see your point in terms of durability which I think is a bigger issue than geeks might appreciate.

My wife wants a tablet for reading books and surfing the net and doing her email, and it is likely that she will only end up replacing it if it breaks, unlike us.

Therefore, if the ipad mini is going to last significantly longer it is probably the better choice, at the price differential and on longevity alone the meeting point in terms of how much longer the ipad mini needs to last about 20% longer than the Nexus. Which if you assume a 24 month life for a nexus is 28 months for the ipad.

Jon


it doesnt matter about build quality to most apple buyers , in 6 months -year, apple will bring out its new model and everyone it seems will buy it because its new,  so  im not sure build quality is that important that you would pay $200 more than  the kindle.


Except that most people that would be the target market for an iPad mini will not buy a Kindle Fire because they are not available here without 'complicated' purchasing procedures (youshop et al.) and the Nexus7 is not that much cheaper ($399-$439 at retail here in NZ).

I was hoping it would come in at $449 or less, but $479 isn't bad. When I saw the US price I thought we'd get stung $499 for it.

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  Reply # 705646 24-Oct-2012 12:39 Send private message

I think the build quality is a major, and because of this you can usually get back 80% of your investment on trade me each year.

i.e. Looking at a new Ipad 3 16GB + Wifi on trade me and you are not likely to get one under $200 off retail. I believe this is directly because the consumer knows that the Ipad, or any i-device is of a quality that it will easily last longer than 1 year.

Next year if I go the latest Ipad route and get the Ipad4 16gb wi-fi + cellular when it comes time to sell I should get close to the $800 price (duty free) then assuming the pricing remains the same would be able to upgrade for around $150-200




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  Reply # 705655 24-Oct-2012 12:56 Send private message

In 6 months time Apple will upgrade the iPad Mini to Retina display and A6X processor at the same price; see what they have done to people who just bought the New iPad? I will give Kindle Fire HD a try this time.

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  Reply # 705659 24-Oct-2012 13:02 Send private message

Yatey:. Knowing this cycle makes consumers aware of when to buy, and when not to buy, an iOS device. This ensures they wont be stung by the introduction of an updated product, decreasing the resale value of their recently purchased device overnight, and also hurting the relationship between consumers in this position and the company. To update a product in the middle of its 'traditional' cycle means that some people, who are fully awear of this cycle, will have purchased an iPad 3 maybe 1-2 months ago, and felt secure that their premium dollar investment would secure them the best iPad available for no more than half a year to go. The resale value of that iPad they just purchased (mine included) just dropped $200+ dollars due to the introduction of the iPad 4.

It is quite uncharacteristic for Apple to update a product halfway during its perceived life cycle. I think that's where most owners of iPad 3's will feel hurt after this announcement since it is very unexpected.

So Apple is to blame for a third party perceiving less value in your secondhand item because of a new product at the same new price point that the secondhand purchaser doesn't want to buy?

Apple doesn't control the secondhand market for these devices, and certainly doesn't set the price for them.

I completely understand what you are saying, I just cannot find any logic in blaming Apple.




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  Reply # 705672 24-Oct-2012 13:18 Send private message

Interesting comments so far.

Im glad they did a refresh on the iPad 3.
LTE on the iPad 3 was not usable outside the US and Canada anyway, so this needed to be done.

New iMac's are stunning ! Better start saving :)

Not sure if im sold on iPad mini, looks nice.
I guess il have to see the device in person to give it a full evaluation.








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  Reply # 705678 24-Oct-2012 13:24 Send private message

Also since the iPad mini is apples low end tablet , I wonder if siri will be enabled ?

What do you guys think.





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