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  Reply # 592321 8-Mar-2012 13:41 Send private message

scotteffone:
davidcole:
dclegg:
scotteffone: IMO if this "Ability to re-download purchased movies through iCloud" means I can now buy movies on iTunes and download them from the cloud to watch them on demand that will be great. So annoyed with rental only. I think Apple might be getting somewhere with Apple TV!


Not sure if I fully understand your concerns, but you can currently purchase movies in iTunes on your Mac or PC, and stream these to the Apple TV. IOW, it is currently possible to watch movies other than rentals.?


It's the re-download bit I object to.? I'd prefer to buy the movie/tv episode and NOT download it - just stream directly off iCloud.

I tend to buy via iTunes, but want to play it on either my phone or Apple TV, currently I think it has to be downloaded as a physical file to do this.




Isn't this what it is saying though? My interpretation is that you can now stream purchased movies from iCloud.


Hope so.  Wonder how I'd test it.




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  Reply # 592322 8-Mar-2012 13:43 Send private message

davidcole: 

It's the re-download bit I object to.  I'd prefer to buy the movie/tv episode and NOT download it - just stream directly off iCloud.

I tend to buy via iTunes, but want to play it on either my phone or Apple TV, currently I think it has to be downloaded as a physical file to do this.


OK, now I'm even more confused :-)

For the videos we've purchased from iTunes, they're downloaded to our Mac, and we can then copy them to our iOS devices, or stream over our LAN to the AppleTV. IOW, we take the one time hit to our data allowance, and then have unlimited access to it.

If it was hosted in iCloud, every time we wanted to watch it, we'd be impacting on our data allowance. The only advantage I see to iCloud is that I can stream it to an iCloud enabled device when away from my LAN. Or that I don't take the hit to my data allowance until the I actually go to watch it (although that is tenuous advantage at best, as I'd not purchase something I never intend to watch).

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  Reply # 592325 8-Mar-2012 13:46 Send private message

reven:
scotteffone: IMO if this "Ability to re-download purchased movies through iCloud" means I can now buy movies on iTunes and download them from the cloud to watch them on demand that will be great. So annoyed with rental only. I think Apple might be getting somewhere with Apple TV!


i purchased a few movies a couple of years ago on my ATV1 and was pissed to learn that after i did a factory reset (deleting the movies on the device) i had to pay full price again to redownload them. ?thats when i stopped buying movies via itunes.?


That blows. But I think it has changed now with your purchases being stored. Did you contact Apple? In my experience they are pretty decent at handling issues like this.

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  Reply # 592326 8-Mar-2012 13:46 Send private message

davidcole:
scotteffone:
davidcole:
dclegg:
scotteffone: IMO if this "Ability to re-download purchased movies through iCloud" means I can now buy movies on iTunes and download them from the cloud to watch them on demand that will be great. So annoyed with rental only. I think Apple might be getting somewhere with Apple TV!


Not sure if I fully understand your concerns, but you can currently purchase movies in iTunes on your Mac or PC, and stream these to the Apple TV. IOW, it is currently possible to watch movies other than rentals.?


It's the re-download bit I object to.? I'd prefer to buy the movie/tv episode and NOT download it - just stream directly off iCloud.

I tend to buy via iTunes, but want to play it on either my phone or Apple TV, currently I think it has to be downloaded as a physical file to do this.




Isn't this what it is saying though? My interpretation is that you can now stream purchased movies from iCloud.


Hope so.  Wonder how I'd test it.


I think I get it now (please excuse my denseness; had very little sleep last night)

You don't want to have to rely on the content stored on a PC at all. Is that your primary beef with current status quo? 

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  Reply # 592331 8-Mar-2012 13:50 Send private message

dclegg:
davidcole:
scotteffone:
davidcole:
dclegg:
scotteffone: IMO if this "Ability to re-download purchased movies through iCloud" means I can now buy movies on iTunes and download them from the cloud to watch them on demand that will be great. So annoyed with rental only. I think Apple might be getting somewhere with Apple TV!


Not sure if I fully understand your concerns, but you can currently purchase movies in iTunes on your Mac or PC, and stream these to the Apple TV. IOW, it is currently possible to watch movies other than rentals.?


It's the re-download bit I object to.? I'd prefer to buy the movie/tv episode and NOT download it - just stream directly off iCloud.

I tend to buy via iTunes, but want to play it on either my phone or Apple TV, currently I think it has to be downloaded as a physical file to do this.




Isn't this what it is saying though? My interpretation is that you can now stream purchased movies from iCloud.


Hope so.  Wonder how I'd test it.


I think I get it now (please excuse my denseness; had very little sleep last night)

You don't want to have to rely on the content stored on a PC at all. Is that your primary beef with current status quo? 


Yeah to a bit, but I take your point (and agree) if I want to play in on multiple devices then download it).  But for a one off watch (say a rental) Just stream it directly.





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  Reply # 592332 8-Mar-2012 13:51 Send private message

Have they dropped the price to account for the high NZ dollar? I see it is $160 NZ versus $100 US

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  Reply # 592334 8-Mar-2012 13:51 Send private message

dclegg:
esawers: ooh just saw this
Owners of the second-generation Apple TV will be able to access the new user interface with a free software update scheduled to become available today. 1080p video playback will remain exclusive to the new Apple TV.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?p=2065099



Does this mean that, apart from the firmware upgrade, the only new feature of the new AppleTV is 1080p playback? If so then... WIN! Our TV only natively supports 720p anyway. It was bought in the days when 1080p HD TVs had a hefty premium, and there was much confusion over HD Ready vs Full HD.


Right you are.  Although as the owner of a 1080-capable TV with a 2nd-gen Apple TV, it's Good Enough™ and I see no point in upgrading either.

Now, the iPad 3-  that's interesting.

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  Reply # 592337 8-Mar-2012 13:58 Send private message

mattwnz: Have they dropped the price to account for the high NZ dollar? I see it is $160 NZ versus $100 US


Yeah I think $160 represents a $10 price drop. 

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  Reply # 592381 8-Mar-2012 15:14 Send private message

dclegg:
davidcole:
scotteffone:
davidcole:
dclegg:
scotteffone: IMO if this "Ability to re-download purchased movies through iCloud" means I can now buy movies on iTunes and download them from the cloud to watch them on demand that will be great. So annoyed with rental only. I think Apple might be getting somewhere with Apple TV!


Not sure if I fully understand your concerns, but you can currently purchase movies in iTunes on your Mac or PC, and stream these to the Apple TV. IOW, it is currently possible to watch movies other than rentals.?


It's the re-download bit I object to.? I'd prefer to buy the movie/tv episode and NOT download it - just stream directly off iCloud.

I tend to buy via iTunes, but want to play it on either my phone or Apple TV, currently I think it has to be downloaded as a physical file to do this.




Isn't this what it is saying though? My interpretation is that you can now stream purchased movies from iCloud.


Hope so.? Wonder how I'd test it.


I think I get it now (please excuse my denseness; had very little sleep last night)

You don't want to have to rely on the content stored on a PC at all. Is that your primary beef with current status quo??


Not so much a beef with me. I just wanted to be able to purchase movies via Apple TV. While it seems this is still not possible (and you have to wonder why? Purchase on Apple TV and stream it??) this is an improvement.

How to get around the music is another issue. Be nice to be able to play music direct from Apple TV with out other devices needing to be on with iTunes open, but I appreciate this is not that simple and playing direct from a iPad or Phone is a nice solution.

I would like to set up some sort of server to keep the media always accessible but have yet found something simple?

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  Reply # 592399 8-Mar-2012 15:24 Send private message

scotteffone: 
How to get around the music is another issue. Be nice to be able to play music direct from Apple TV with out other devices needing to be on with iTunes open, but I appreciate this is not that simple and playing direct from a iPad or Phone is a nice solution.

I would like to set up some sort of server to keep the media always accessible but have yet found something simple?


Yeah that is a bit of a PITA. Especially if your iTunes copy is run on a PC with multiple users. I'm forever logging myself out, stopping iTunes in the process, and then cursing when I have to go from the lounge to the office to start it back up again so I can access my library.

This is more of an issue now that we're in the process of selling our house, as my physical music collection is all packed away. Its great that I can still easily access it all on our stereo in the lounge, but there is definitely room for improvement. 

Before I got the Apple TV, I tried various DNLA server options using my PS3 to stream the content, but none of them worked as well as I wanted (including the much recommended PS3 Media Server). The Apple TV, OTOH, works really well. And it has the added advantage of having absolutely no issue with streaming the DRMed movies purchased via iTunes (which is an issue I wish didn't exist at all, but thats best left to a separate thread).

It does have an occasional issue where it loses its wifi connection, requiring a router reboot to fix. But thats a problem I'm having with all my wireless devices ATM, and my router is almost certainly to blame here. I will be replacing that, but this will probably co-incide with a move to a new house, so I know exactly what sort of gear I'll need (one of the houses we're looking at purchasing has a fully wired LAN, with ethernet ports in every room (except for the toilet (I think))).

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  Reply # 592402 8-Mar-2012 15:26 Send private message

dclegg:
scotteffone: 
How to get around the music is another issue. Be nice to be able to play music direct from Apple TV with out other devices needing to be on with iTunes open, but I appreciate this is not that simple and playing direct from a iPad or Phone is a nice solution.

I would like to set up some sort of server to keep the media always accessible but have yet found something simple?


Yeah that is a bit of a PITA. Especially if your iTunes copy is run on a PC with multiple users. I'm forever logging myself out, stopping iTunes in the process, and then cursing when I have to go from the lounge to the office to start it back up again so I can access my library.

.....


Some NAS boxes include an iTunes Media Server - which I understand is music only.  Does remove the issue of a PC (and any login problems). 




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  Reply # 592411 8-Mar-2012 15:40 Send private message

davidcole: 

Some NAS boxes include an iTunes Media Server - which I understand is music only.  Does remove the issue of a PC (and any login problems). 


Yeah, I saw that mentioned elsewhere. However, with an impending increase of mortgage, such toys will be deemed unnecessary luxuries for a wee while. Especially when we already have a workable enough media streaming solution.

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  Reply # 592412 8-Mar-2012 15:42 Send private message

I think it is interesting that they have only put an A5 single core processor in this. I would have thought it would be at least dual core for adding future features. It seems financial commentators are expecting a proper apple tv later this year, with an actual screen. It could be an awesome device if they did.

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  Reply # 592417 8-Mar-2012 15:47 Send private message

davidcole:

Some NAS boxes include an iTunes Media Server - which I understand is music only.  Does remove the issue of a PC (and any login problems). 


I don't know how they cope with itunes home sharing - that's the pain of the ATV of course. XBMC on the other hand gets around this but you're stuck with the jailbreak issue. 

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  Reply # 592432 8-Mar-2012 15:59 Send private message

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davidcole:

Some NAS boxes include an iTunes Media Server - which I understand is music only.  Does remove the issue of a PC (and any login problems). 


I don't know how they cope with itunes home sharing - that's the pain of the ATV of course. XBMC on the other hand gets around this but you're stuck with the jailbreak issue. 


Neither.  That said I'd probably rather use XBMC or plex for music.  Or Keep iTunes on a server (which I kind of do now).




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