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Topic # 139244 2-Feb-2014 00:54 Send private message

Two things

I used to live in NZ many years ago ....live in Australia now. Some things I noticed.

Why is it that most phone NZ companies (I am talking about calling landlines to landlines at all times in this post ) seem to have a 2hr cap on international calls and national calls I think you guys refer to them as tolls (which we in Australia call a toll when you pay to go over a bridge lol  (I think before the standard per minute rate then applies. In other words you would have to call back again and make sure if on a long chat that the time is being watched .

I asked once via email to a NZ company and they said it was legislation  another told me that had nothing to do with it. I am guessing the networks in NZ are smaller and couldn't handle it if there were people  on for longer ?
Here in Australia we don't seem to have these 2 hr caps on national calls or international calls it is unlimited time for a certain price eg $3 for national or $15 for unlimited overseas landline calls to any landline for most new home phone plans especially when bundled with internet ADSL ,cable broadband etc . Why is that ? International calls landline to landline and mobile here - unlimited no restriction on time, same with national calls one city to another.

Do people in NZ have issues when moving house like in Australia of finding that you can't get ADSL or cable   in an area due to lack of ports or not being close to exchange or RIM not supporting ADSL ?. I know if that is the case in Australia we can use mobile broadband which is expensive for less data compared to ADSL and cable .


NZ satellite broadband seems drastically cheaper 
http://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband/Satellite/


 



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  Reply # 978727 2-Feb-2014 00:57 Send private message

I think its one of those old things Telecom had on ages ago that we stuck with, We are covered in Cabinets for VDSL and UFB.



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  Reply # 978729 2-Feb-2014 01:09 Send private message

I haven't heard of those types of broadband. Here it is ADSL 1,2, (8mb/s up to 25mb/s) , Cable up to 100mb/s , mobile broadband (can be as fast as ADSL) in my area.



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  Reply # 978731 2-Feb-2014 07:02 Send private message

Mobile broadband 4G is quite fast in NZ, I was out Piha Beach yesterday on the West Coast of Auckland and got just over 140Mbps down and 42Mbps up




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  Reply # 978745 2-Feb-2014 08:51 7 people support this post Send private message

Australian broadband is very poor compared to New Zealand... It's just that many NZers believe they have 3rd world broadband when we actually have one of the world's best FTTN networks.

With the NBN being scaled back it's likely AU will not move to building a FTTN network and by 2017 most Australian users will enjoy the same level of performance that NZers have had since 2011 when the cabinetisation project was completed. By the end of 2017 here UFB will be available to around 70% of NZ premises.

As for querying why NZ has two hour call caps - you could start asking why most providers in Australia charge you a flagfall just for the privilege of making a call!
 



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  Reply # 978882 2-Feb-2014 13:15 Send private message

When you say "flagfall" you mean connection fee ? So NZ has no connection fee if you chat to someone ?

Are data allowances similar in NZ eg 100gb , 500gb etc ?

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/asia-home-to-worlds-fastest-broadband-australia-lags-20140129-31ljj.html


I am sure the Mobile Broadband doesn't get that fast here.

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  Reply # 978885 2-Feb-2014 13:21 Send private message

vbarnao: When you say "flagfall" you mean connection fee ? So NZ has no connection fee if you chat to someone ?


Correct. We have "free calling areas" and doesn't cost a cent to ring them.
Most providers also now give the option of unlimited toll calls Nation Wide (with a 1-2hr time limit per call).

Some of the mobile providers here are now going as far as having Free Minutes covering calls both around New Zealand and to Australia.

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  Reply # 978888 2-Feb-2014 13:29 Send private message

Yep no flag fare zero , zip , nada




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  Reply # 978890 2-Feb-2014 13:42 Send private message

vbarnao: When you say "flagfall" you mean connection fee ? So NZ has no connection fee if you chat to someone ?

Are data allowances similar in NZ eg 100gb , 500gb etc ?

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/asia-home-to-worlds-fastest-broadband-australia-lags-20140129-31ljj.html


I am sure the Mobile Broadband doesn't get that fast here.


Data allowances are very similar, most providers provide caps up to 500gb-1tb while many now offer unlimited connections for around the same price as mid range capped plans (with limited to nil traffic management). Have a look at Snap, Telecom, Vodafone, Orcon, Slingshot, Maxnet, Bigpipe, Xnet etc if you want to compare with Aus. Widely available large/unlimited caps coupled with a solid FTTN network (largely providing 10mbs+ ADSL2 connections to the vast majority of connections), a large footprint for VDSL and a rapidly expanding FTTH network and I don't think its unreasonable to say that NZ's internet connectivity is better than Australia's by quite a distance.

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  Reply # 978925 2-Feb-2014 15:29 Send private message

vbarnao:

I am sure the Mobile Broadband doesn't get that fast here.


Vodafone Australia has a cat4 LTE network so can deliver speeds of up to 150/50, the same as Vodafone NZ. Telstra and Optus can't deliver this at present because they don't have enough spectrum to do it. This will change as bonding of spectrum starts to occur and they can bond the networks they are currently deploying on other frequencies.




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  Reply # 978928 2-Feb-2014 15:44 Send private message

Vodafone Australia has terrible coverage too in smaller less populated areas .

So is the issue of not being able to get broadband (fixed line ) due to being too far from the exchange or line quality etc not an issue in NZ where over here we have to use expensive mobile broadband instead if that is the case ?

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  Reply # 978930 2-Feb-2014 15:49 Send private message

4G in Australia is great with their large data caps. It'll be great if and when we get similar plans.
Quite a fan of optus $2 days which are excellent when visiting there - $2 per day for 500mb 4G data, unlimited minutes, unlimited texts. So 30 x 500mb is 15gb equiv per month for $60. But i liked how if you didn't use the phone at all for a day, then you aren't charged the $2, which happens to me some days on weekends, where my phone its on wifi the whole day at home.

The 4G was very fast too, i was breaking 50Mbps easy with every speed test, topping out at 80 odd which plenty fast even if the coverage indoors in malls etc is average overall - others on the competing mobile networks said thats not uncommon there to get dead spots in various places on all networks. I certainly noticed it more than NZ, but saying that, their shopping centres are huge.

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  Reply # 978933 2-Feb-2014 15:55 Send private message

vbarnao: I haven't heard of those types of broadband. Here it is ADSL 1,2, (8mb/s up to 25mb/s) , Cable up to 100mb/s , mobile broadband (can be as fast as ADSL) in my area.




Try changing that 8 to a 2 and it'd be more realistic. 


And NZ had free local calls... In Oz, we used to pay $0.22 for every local call.

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  Reply # 978934 2-Feb-2014 15:58 Send private message

eXDee: 4G in Australia is great with their large data caps. It'll be great if and when we get similar plans.


Been here recently? In the last 18 months the major telcos have been dropping the data and still charging the same price. Look at the $60 dollar plans on optus and telstra... they used to have 2-3 gig... now they're 1-1.5.
Their excuse? "Most customers are only using 52% of their data".

I actually paid the ETF to get out of Optus after switching to 4G put me on a lower data contract, without them telling me. Now i'm with Amaysim... No 4G, but unlimited calls, texts, 4gig of data (free for social networks) and $0.06 per minute calls to NZ, no flagfall. $40 a month, no contract.

Edit: while the Optus $2 a day is good, Amaysim lets me stream from google play all access for free too (they must class it as a social network, probably accidently).

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  Reply # 978941 2-Feb-2014 16:20 Send private message

blakamin:
eXDee: 4G in Australia is great with their large data caps. It'll be great if and when we get similar plans.


Been here recently? In the last 18 months the major telcos have been dropping the data and still charging the same price. Look at the $60 dollar plans on optus and telstra... they used to have 2-3 gig... now they're 1-1.5.
Their excuse? "Most customers are only using 52% of their data".

I actually paid the ETF to get out of Optus after switching to 4G put me on a lower data contract, without them telling me. Now i'm with Amaysim... No 4G, but unlimited calls, texts, 4gig of data (free for social networks) and $0.06 per minute calls to NZ, no flagfall. $40 a month, no contract.

Edit: while the Optus $2 a day is good, Amaysim lets me stream from google play all access for free too (they must class it as a social network, probably accidently).

I was only looking at prepaid plans, even if i lived there i'd still probably only look at prepaid plans unless there was a huge difference in value (eg in japan, you pay a ton on prepaid vs postpaid.)

I was there in november and december. I did notice $2 days used to be 3G only with a 1gb limit per day, but they halved this for the 4G plan. Its still a lot of data though.
I briefly compared vodafone and telstra's offerings, but nothing came close to the value for money for a short trip over there. I really hated vodafone's stupid inflated credit numbers - top up $20 and get $400 worth of credit! Does nothing at all for me having an inflated and pointless scale. Bet it gets quite a lot of people with the marketing aspect of it though.

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  Reply # 978946 2-Feb-2014 16:27 Send private message

sbiddle: Australian broadband is very poor compared to New Zealand... It's just that many NZers believe they have 3rd world broadband when we actually have one of the world's best FTTN networks.

With the NBN being scaled back it's likely AU will not move to building a FTTN network and by 2017 most Australian users will enjoy the same level of performance that NZers have had since 2011 when the cabinetisation project was completed. By the end of 2017 here UFB will be available to around 70% of NZ premises.

As for querying why NZ has two hour call caps - you could start asking why most providers in Australia charge you a flagfall just for the privilege of making a call!
 

As an Australian resident in New Zealand, and having recently revisited Australia, I reluctantly have to agree with sbiddle.
Incidentally, I have never made a 2-hour phone call in my life - not even a 1-hour one :)




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