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  Reply # 595981 16-Mar-2012 09:51 Send private message

Slingshot: If the only thing stopping you going VoIP is the need of an ATA i will send you one free of charge.

Cheers,
Joe.






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  Reply # 595987 16-Mar-2012 09:57 Send private message

Re my home wiring...

I already did take a look at this.  I took the main cable into my home (from the street) detached everything that was connected to it and spliced on an extension cable (cat5e) out to a single phone jack and a small lead (also cat5e) to the jack I connect my modem to.  There is a filter on the phone jack.  The splice is soldered.

I doing this, I took out about 5 unused jacks and ensured that my alarm system is not connected anywhere.

Thoughts on this?  Would I be better of with a master splitter?

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  Reply # 595988 16-Mar-2012 09:59 Send private message

Hi, if you are saying that you have now reduced your wiring down to one socket that takes a direct line to the leadin from the street, ie no splits no other socket etc, then no a master filter is not needed, however if you want to attach a phone and DSL modem to that single socket line then a simple inline filter is fine.

If you want to retain some sockets and have a split or daisy chain of the line to more than one socket then a master filter is required.

Cyril



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  Reply # 595990 16-Mar-2012 10:03 Send private message

Slingshot:

Having to buy an ATA to plug my existing phone into the network (via my router) is one of the show stoppers.

I'd also need to keep my old number and the service would need to be as reliable as the line I have currently.




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  Reply # 595996 16-Mar-2012 10:15 Send private message

cyril7: Hi, if you are saying that you have now reduced your wiring down to one socket that takes a direct line to the leadin from the street, ie no splits no other socket etc, then no a master filter is not needed, however if you want to attach a phone and DSL modem to that single socket line then a simple inline filter is fine.

If you want to retain some sockets and have a split or daisy chain of the line to more than one socket then a master filter is required.

Cyril


This is what I did...so from what you're saying I guess I don't need a master filter.



I probably used the wrong coloured wires in the Cat5 cable...

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  Reply # 595998 16-Mar-2012 10:22 Send private message

Hi, well then you need a master filter to get the best from that, alternatively run the line from the leadin to teh phone jack, put a filter on that socket for the phone, then run a line from that socket to the modem socket and connect it directly to the line (no filter needed unless you want a phone there as well. That way you preserve the transmission line characteristics with the terminating device (modem) at the end of the line and the phone just tapping across (via the filter) mid way. This should also create a near ideal situation with comparable results to installing a central filter

Also I dont recommend soldiering, use scotch locs as they will also protect the joint from moisture.

Cyril



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  Reply # 596000 16-Mar-2012 10:25 Send private message

Slingshot: Hi,

We cannot garrentee numbers, As your number is ported, you can keep it as a proted number (iTalk) as mentioned above,
If you want a physical phone line POTS then we can also do that too,
If you want to forward the italk line to the POTS line that is cool as well, but yes there could be a charge for the call that is transfered if you transfer more than 500 mins of calls a month. (italk lines have 500 mins of free calling a month)

Cheers,
Joe.



Hmmm...

So are you saying that I could:

1) Get a new number on my POTS line (required to 'roll back' from the cabinetization)
2) Get get an italk line set up and port my old, original number to it
3) Forward my old number (italk) to my new POTS line without incurring any additional charges (up to 500 mins/month)

?


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  Reply # 596002 16-Mar-2012 10:27 Send private message

Nakedcity: Slingshot:

Having to buy an ATA to plug my existing phone into the network (via my router) is one of the show stoppers.

I'd also need to keep my old number and the service would need to be as reliable as the line I have currently.




Get the free ATA that has been offered to you. Have 1 line that goes ftom the etp to 1 outlet via cat5e for the modem. Connect the rest of the phone wireing that you have in the house (which is now disconnected from the telecom line) to the phone out of the ata, and, you will be fine.

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  Reply # 596008 16-Mar-2012 10:34 Send private message

Do Slingshot not offer the SLES service that there were arguments in the Comcom about; i.e. DSL provided at the cabinet but voice still provided by Slingshot's equipment at the exchange?

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  Reply # 596009 16-Mar-2012 10:41 Send private message

wongtop: Do Slingshot not offer the SLES service that there were arguments in the Comcom about; i.e. DSL provided at the cabinet but voice still provided by Slingshot's equipment at the exchange?



SLES has essentially been replaced with UCLF now.

As for the reasons's Slingshot/Callplus aren't using theUCLF service despite winning a large confidential payout from Telecom over SLES - that's something only they can answer.



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  Reply # 596018 16-Mar-2012 10:51 Send private message

cyril7: Hi, well then you need a master filter to get the best from that, alternatively run the line from the leadin to teh phone jack, put a filter on that socket for the phone, then run a line from that socket to the modem socket and connect it directly to the line (no filter needed unless you want a phone there as well. That way you preserve the transmission line characteristics with the terminating device (modem) at the end of the line and the phone just tapping across (via the filter) mid way. This should also create a near ideal situation with comparable results to installing a central filter

Also I dont recommend soldiering, use scotch locs as they will also protect the joint from moisture.

Cyril


Actually Cyril I forgot to put the filter on the diagram...there is a filter between the phone jack and the phone.  But I think what you're saying is that I should have a clean run to a master jack, then have a simple ADSL/phone splitter/filter plugged into that master jack and attach the phone and modem to that splitter/filter.  i.e. I should not have a splice.

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  Reply # 596020 16-Mar-2012 10:55 Send private message

Hi, if you are going to have splits then a master filter is required, if you run it in daisy chain (within limits not too many) then the modem must go at the end of the line and obviously all voice devices (ie phone/fax/skybox) must have a filter to connect the line at sockets before that. But this method only makes sense if you have only one or two sockets, more than that and I strongly recommend you use a master filter.

So in your case if you rewire as suggested (you can actually achieve this without running new cables but utilising the spare pairs in the cat5e runs (but thats a bit messy) then you should acheive as good results as if you use a master filter, although a master filter is the best way of doing it.

Cyril

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  Reply # 596024 16-Mar-2012 11:02 Send private message

Nakedcity: Slingshot:

Having to buy an ATA to plug my existing phone into the network (via my router) is one of the show stoppers.

I'd also need to keep my old number and the service would need to be as reliable as the line I have currently.




Your line would become VoIP so realiablity may not be as good as your current service however quality should be.

In saying that I have no issues with my VoIP line.    




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  Reply # 596025 16-Mar-2012 11:05 Send private message

sbiddle:
SLES has essentially been replaced with UCLF now.

As for the reasons's Slingshot/Callplus aren't using theUCLF service despite winning a large confidential payout from Telecom over SLES - that's something only they can answer.


We do offer this service but it is only available in some areas,

i.e areas with Slingshot/Callplus owned MSAN's as oposised to wholesaled ones. 





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  Reply # 596026 16-Mar-2012 11:07 Send private message

Nakedcity:
Hmmm...

So are you saying that I could:

1) Get a new number on my POTS line (required to 'roll back' from the cabinetization)
2) Get get an italk line set up and port my old, original number to it
3) Forward my old number (italk) to my new POTS line without incurring any additional charges (up to 500 mins/month)

?




Yes that is correct, The italk line does cost to have tho, They are only free on Naked BB.   

You would then be paying for Homeline, Broadband and an additional iTalk line.

Cheers,
Joe.  




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