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  Reply # 596249 16-Mar-2012 19:14 Send private message

Ragnor:
sbiddle: 

Nothing prevents any ISP from installing their equipment in cabinets except for the financial outlay and the fact there is no way you could ever build a viable business case. Prices for access are regulated by the Commerce Commission, but there mere outlay of a minimum of $20k - $30k worth of gear and ongoing monthly costs for backhaul to supply a handful of cutomers in every cabinet dosn't stack up. Even if you were somebody big like TelstraClear that might equate to 30 customers maximum from a cabinet which is just simply not viable.



+1 everything you said but on this part I dissent a bit

From memory the way backhaul cost is split between providers in a cabinet seems insane to me.

IIRC it's backhaul cost / number of providers, so in a two provider situation provider B pays 50% of the backhaul cost even if they don't have 50% of the customers, so you could have 10% of customers in a cabinet yet pay 50% of the backhaul cost!

Seems like a major disincentive for ISP's to get into sub loop unbundling, also the ComCOM Sub loop determinations took forever, came out years later that LLU meaning it was simply way too late.

Some ISP's, mostly in rural providers have taken up sub LLU and have gear in cabinets... probably only viable when they have near or over 50% of customers in a cabinet area.



I don't think the pricing is fair either, but it's a regulated offering set by the Commerce Commission. They set the pricing so others have to abide by it.

Many people think that regulation is great and the Commerce Commission always get things right. In many cases this doesn't happen, our regulated UBA offerings are all the proof you need for this. The Commerce Commission used flawed methdology in calculating retail minus wholesale pricing, and everybody has to suffer the consequences. DSL in NZ would IMHO be in a far better state if we weren't being held back by current regulation.



 

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  Reply # 596252 16-Mar-2012 19:19 Send private message

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  Reply # 596270 16-Mar-2012 19:56 Send private message

sbiddle:
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SLES?has essentially been replaced with UCLF now.

As for?the reasons's?Slingshot/Callplus aren't using theUCLF service despite winning a large confidential payout from Telecom over SLES?- that's something only they can answer.


We do offer this service but it is only available in some areas,

i.e areas with Slingshot/Callplus owned MSAN's as oposised to wholesaled ones.?




But this scenario is exactly where SLES should be used - to offer ULL voice from the exchange with UBA broadband from the cabinet.

I suspect the reasons for not using it come down solely to?$

??


Access Seeker Voice is definitely in use and the ASV footprint is growing at a pretty good pace. It does however require equipment to be in the exchange and the cabinets themselves must support it.

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  Reply # 596288 16-Mar-2012 20:39 Send private message

richms: Of course if the ISPs would get together and put a single piece of kit in for all their customers then I am sure the sums would stack up and make it viable. But I expect they would rather run to the com com and cry about it instead of work with what they have.


Telecom still have 60% market share, so even if you combined every single other ISP together the way backhaul cost is split is not fair.

Also iirc Chorus equipment takes up 60-70% of the space in the cabinet, so the other ISP's would always be paying for more than their fair share of the backhaul.

ComCom got this decision wrong big time.

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  Reply # 604113 2-Apr-2012 20:11 Send private message

Can't help but feel a little sad about all the effort + money that was spent on cabinets, isps putting their equipment in exchanges, etc with fibre just around the corner. Seems like we could have UFB done by now with some better allocation of resources.

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  Reply # 604119 2-Apr-2012 20:17 Send private message

jords12: Can't help but feel a little sad about all the effort + money that was spent on cabinets, isps putting their equipment in exchanges, etc with fibre just around the corner. Seems like we could have UFB done by now with some better allocation of resources.


Remember UFB is still 5+ years away for the vast majority of residential households in NZ. The focus in the first 5 years of the rollout isn't residential areas.




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  Reply # 604121 2-Apr-2012 20:22 Send private message

jords12: Can't help but feel a little sad about all the effort + money that was spent on cabinets, isps putting their equipment in exchanges, etc with fibre just around the corner. Seems like we could have UFB done by now with some better allocation of resources.


I find that the industry - especialtelecom former telecom guys - are pretty sharp, and the work done in the last 5 years will benefit Ufb more than we give them credit for. The only thing missing is fibre to the premises, and that's coming..... 




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  Reply # 619638 4-May-2012 16:07 Send private message

Just to update this thread...

With the Linksys ATA I have managed to get my old phone number re-activated as a VoIP number through Slingshot italk.

I had to set up port forwarding as follows:

TCP/UDP 5060-5061
UDP 53
UDP 69
UDP 5004
UDP 16384 - 16482

Then, following sbiddle's config guide, I managed to get it set up to sound just like a normal phone and dial numbers effectively.

Slingshot, to their credit, sent me the ATA for free to compensate for the loss of my number via the POTS.

Thanks all!

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