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Topic # 113651 23-Jan-2013 12:15 Send private message

Just saw this crossing the wires:


Orcon selects Roaring Penguin Software's CanIt-Domain-PRO software to combat spam

New Zealand's fourth-largest commercial Internet Service Provider selects Roaring Penguin Software to protect its Clients from Spam

OTTAWA, Jan. 22, 2013 /CNW/ - Roaring Penguin Software Inc., the email filtering experts, announced that Orcon, a leading New Zealand ISP, has selected CanIt-Domain-PRO to combat spam on its network. Orcon is an award winning internet service provider focused on continually pushing the boundaries to deliver the latest and greatest networking technology to New Zealanders. Said Thomas Salmen, CTO of Orcon, "At Orcon, we are always looking for best in class solutions, and that's what we have found here. CanIt-Domain-PRO allows us to guarantee the robust mail platform our customers demand."

CanIt-Domain-PRO allows an Internet service provider like Orcon to delegate control of spam filtering to clients of their web hosting and ISP businesses. Designed for large-scale environments with multiple email domains, CanIt-Domain-PRO effectively stops spam before it reaches the network while never discarding a valid message.


I don't know if this is already installed, or when it was installed - trying to find out.






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  Reply # 749530 23-Jan-2013 13:26 Send private message

Interesting.
Didnt know we had agreed to a press release,but we did so i am told.

This is old news. Bizo which we acquired some time ago already used this, we have simply updated the licences to unlimited domains.

We use it currently for outbound mail scanning and planning the install for inbound (in the consumer space).

Quite a lot of work currently happening in the mail space.

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  Reply # 749545 23-Jan-2013 13:51 Send private message

Just hope they don't treat real emails as spam. My spam filter is disable at Orcon because of that reason. I prefer to let outlook do it for me..




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  Reply # 749632 23-Jan-2013 15:23 Send private message

We can never guarantee 100% that we wont trap legitimate mail. However it will be significantly better than it is now.
We are considering a portal to let people see what is in their spam trap and make a decision about it as well. Lots of things to consider around that though.

I can say though that the mail platform as a whole is getting a lot of attention at the moment. Some of the things we are doing are:
* Replace spam and aav scanning/filtering for inbound
* Upgrade of the above for outbound scanning
* Major storage overhaul
* Platform consolidation

I will answer questions about it if any one is interested, with in reason of course. If i cant say something ill let you know.

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  Reply # 749634 23-Jan-2013 15:26 Send private message

old3eyes: Just hope they don't treat real emails as spam. My spam filter is disable at Orcon because of that reason. I prefer to let outlook do it for me..


You call it a false positive




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  Reply # 749635 23-Jan-2013 15:29 Send private message

And sometimes its hard to be positive it was false, some people like to send email that really looks like spam, but isnt;)





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  Reply # 749782 23-Jan-2013 19:23 Send private message

My experience of ISP filtering of Spam email traffic is not positive and I don't use it.  This is primarily because emails that are classed as Spam by the ISPs filter are never presented for download to a client like OE/Outlook etc.  You have to use the ISPs webmail app to find them and deal with false positives.

In contrast almost all good AV software offers Spam detection.  All emails are downloaded to the client and then analysed.  Filters can be used to identify what the AV software declares as Spam and therefore dealing with false positives is vastly easier and faster.

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  Reply # 749787 23-Jan-2013 19:35 Send private message

I hope it does a better job than vodafones, all the email the filter marks as spam (false and true positives) just vanish in to a black hole, no way to find out what is been filtered out and do something about the false positives.



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  Reply # 749789 23-Jan-2013 19:40 Send private message

OldGeek: My experience of ISP filtering of Spam email traffic is not positive and I don't use it.  This is primarily because emails that are classed as Spam by the ISPs filter are never presented for download to a client like OE/Outlook etc.  You have to use the ISPs webmail app to find them and deal with false positives.


I use Office 365. Every week I receive an email with all the spam blocked. If I look through the list and see one that is clearly not spam I can just click a link and have it delivered. Painless as that. Having said that, I don't remember seeing a false positive in ages. Microsoft Forefront is pretty good at spam catching.





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  Reply # 749842 23-Jan-2013 21:04 Send private message

This must be the reason I spent extra seconds staring at emails today.

Mystery solved.

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  Reply # 749860 23-Jan-2013 21:24 Send private message

When the shiny new system is brought online for inbound email, will my current spam settings be carried over?

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  Reply # 750000 24-Jan-2013 08:56 Send private message

That is one of the things we are working on.
At the moment some of the settings aren't as effective as they should be, and of course translation between the two platforms will need to be done.

@gregmcc. Mail isn't going to be discarded outright at this stage. Many systems do that though because it saves a very large amount of processing of spam.
I have run mail systems where 95% + of mail incoming was spam, stopping that hitting the scanners reduced our mail scaner platform from ~12 servers to 4.
So we have to consider that option as well.

@oldgeek. Are you saying you would like what we think is spam tagged and left in the inbox?

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  Reply # 750031 24-Jan-2013 10:09 Send private message

ptinson: That is one of the things we are working on.
At the moment some of the settings aren't as effective as they should be, and of course translation between the two platforms will need to be done.

@gregmcc. Mail isn't going to be discarded outright at this stage. Many systems do that though because it saves a very large amount of processing of spam.
I have run mail systems where 95% + of mail incoming was spam, stopping that hitting the scanners reduced our mail scaner platform from ~12 servers to 4.
So we have to consider that option as well.

@oldgeek. Are you saying you would like what we think is spam tagged and left in the inbox?

Paul


So over the past few years where has all this spam been stored?
I would like to review it for possible false positives

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  Reply # 750058 24-Jan-2013 10:54 Send private message

Which part are you referring to?
Currently we use the settings set by the customer and either mark it as spam or delete it.

If you mean the dropping of spam before it enters the scanners, Orcon has never done that. I have in other places I've worked.




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  Reply # 750331 24-Jan-2013 17:15 Send private message

ptinson: Which part are you referring to?
Currently we use the settings set by the customer and either mark it as spam or delete it.

If you mean the dropping of spam before it enters the scanners, Orcon has never done that. I have in other places I've worked.


I think there has been some confusion going on here, I do realise that the topic is related to Orcon's spam filter, but if you look near the start of the topic I was refering to what Vodafone do with their spam filter wher all the spam just vanishes from the face of the earth. BTW I would more than welcome a comment from someone at vodafone to confirm or deny this



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  Reply # 750368 24-Jan-2013 18:31 Send private message

Well, let's keep it at Orcon for this thread though.




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